Your are always entitled to your opinion Pepper, but on this I think that you are wrong. I don't think any of us ( at least most of us) think that we are "Better" than anyone else for having paid. and I don't think that it has anything to do with classes....I am a poor college student, but yet I paid the 30 dollars because I viewed it as worth it. That's not to say that everyone can make the payment, but rather to show that it's not about what "class" you are in or how much you make, just how much that you think it's worth it to be a member. and there is nothing wrong with not caring enough about being a member to find a way to come up with the money. nobody thinks that you are freeloading, just that you are not willing to pay

Ok, I will concede that I, perhaps maybe might have, over reacted a touch ;) It's a whole issue that I have with class systems and, more, with distinguishing them. I was not aware that warlight was going to implement one along with the other changes and so when I showed up in a few games and on the forums and saw the Ms everywhere, it made me a bit twitchy. So to see the free loathers & good riddence statement, well, it just threw me over the edge.

And, clearly, you all now have a sense of my sanity level and can see how if I lose it this quickly & easily over it, it is best that I just take my leave as gracefully as possible at this point.

I harbor no ill will towards any of you (especially, you fizzer. good game & good luck & all of that :)) and apologize for turning into a bit of an ass there.

anyone is allowed to their opinion, and i have to agree with you on the M's, i can understand to a point why fizzer would implement it, but in most cases i don't want to be recognized as a premium member, *just as donaters in certain games choose to remain Anonymous.*

my main reason for 'bitching' *which i know i do my fair share, in this arguement and otherwise :)* is the attitude people took about this entire issue, and you're right, most of the people we are responding too will probably never log in again, or if they do it will be far and away down the line past this being remembered.

that being said, /rantoff and i will follow your example and try to not let them get the best of me :P

How about using ads, instead of membership payments?

http://blog.warlight.net/index.php/2011/02/lets-talk-about-warlight-1-0/

if i recall, that's the blog post where it was discussed

What about at least raising the invite limit to 6, instead of 5?

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=1039

The only game that I've played constantly for almost a year straight. It's a shame that I won't play it as much or at all. :/ I wouldn't mind seeing ads if we could still have all our features for free. Memberships are real turn offs for me.

One thing I've noticed about my Runescape membership is that it weeds out people I really don't want to play with. You can already do that, to some degree, here on Warlight by setting open seat prerequisites but you still have a chance of some idiot making their way into your game. Playing with only members would ensure that you are playing with people who want to be here enough to shell out some hard earned cash.

For my first year on Runescape, I was FTP and I had a ton of 'fun' experiences with other players. When I graduated to membership status and started playing with the other members, I had a much more pleasant experience because everyone was paying to be there.

In the last few months (on WL) I've mostly been playing games with players who have been here at least as long as I have and my experience here has been better for it.


For that reason, I think memberships are a fantastic idea. On the other hand I understand not being able to afford 30$ for a game, though to be honest, I would have done whatever I could to pay for my WL membership.

Thanks "les" for the offer for my map, but this is not the point (and it wasn't when i created my other maps). People who also did their job for the success of warlight are getting pranked. We all invited new players, made new maps for the variety of the game and now our dedication is rided roughshod over.
There is no respect for all the people who made this game succesfull, who invited others and made sure that you get mostly fast opponents without waiting to long.

And now there is this "problem" with cash up and several others...
Some people in poor countries can't afford that. Okay, that is the natural ignorance of the USA for the rest of the world. I think Randy should be better, but obviously he isn't.
Also there are many (most underage) players, that even don't have a credit-card or something like hateful paypal. They are shortly sidelined.

And now a great game-creator comes, hold's a gun to my and all the others heads and tells, you have to pay him money in 3 days or you can't use the most of all things you haved used before anymore. Sorry, but in my opinion this is like highway robbery!


Every map-creator should delete his map.
Then, if only a few maps remains and paying members get bored, this game will get his finally quietus!

I see you guys talking how long you need to work to earn 30$. but it is not matter of money it is matter of principals, especially when 50% of people in my country cannot afford for a decent living.

I do mind paying 30$ for it. Fizzer should have added new features and made us pay for that, instead of charging for features we already knew and loved..so good bye warlight.

I keep wanting to type responses but it's all been said in this post already.

BP mentioned freeloaders: Your attitudes remind me of a time when me and two other guys got a job a hundred miles from where we live. I was the driver. When we were done working, I gassed up at gave them the total. It was over 100$ and we each made 150$ for the job. My two passengers were outraged and refused to pay. It's worth noting that neither of them owned cars.

After they had cooled off a bit I explained that if they didn't shell out for fuel, I was the one that would have to foot the bill and would have pretty much just worked all day only to pay for the fuel it took to get them down there, which was grossly unfair to me.

I know it costs Randy money to host Warlight. I don't know for sure how much but the consensus seems to be 300$/month. Even if it IS only 100$/month, even if it's only 10$/month, it's still a constant fee that HE is responsible for paying, and HAS payed for the last 3+ years.

I think a lot of people, likely every member, will agree with me when I say that Randy is being pretty generous with the 30$ lifetime membership and it's even his intent for us to exploit it. It's his way of saying 'thank you' for helping Warlight evolve into what it has.

If you have some suggestions about an income-based payment method, try warlight.uservoice.com.

devilnis :
>> It does bear understanding that the global nature of the warlight players means that >> $30 could well be a severe and basically unsurmountable obstacle. For instance, I ??>> found information that said that the average yearly salary in Poland is about 800
>> PLN (Zloty). $30 USD is 86PLN, so the warlight payment would be equal to just under
>> 11% of the average Pole's yearly salary, which if you made $50k USD every year would >> be tantamount to paying %5,500.

Are you stupid ?

first thing's first, the "free-loader" comment was bullshit and uncalled for. If someone can't or wont make the payment, then that is up to them. as I have said before, some of us made sacrifices in order to make the payment, and we did so because playing warlight with the benefits meant enough to us, not because we are all rich or ignorant or think we are better than you. The free-loaders comment was ignorant, but to suggest that Randy should just pay for the site himself without payments is equally ignorant. But by far the MOST ignorant thing that I have heard in this thread so far is this:

"Some people in poor countries can't afford that. Okay, that is the natural ignorance of the USA for the rest of the world. I think Randy should be better, but obviously he isn't."

How much of an ignoramus do you have to be to suggest that the reason Randy is having people pay is because our COUNTRY is ignorant about other counties' incomes??? Yes, America is a wealthy and wasteful country, but it also has spends more government aid and personal donations of aid to foreign countries than any other country in the world. So do not in any way think that Randy's decision was "Ignorant" towards other countries, or even worse, that it is based on how terrible America is.

Jacek:

"Completed 222 ranked games (86 / 222)"

I dunno.. Are you?

Ta ta, Troll! :)

Also, if you want the source, here it is:

http://www.polishforums.com/work-study-43/average-monthly-salary-poland-around-pln-few-hundred-bucks-622/

It could well be wrong, it's not like it's a peer-reviewed accredited scientific journal, but I wasn't just making numbers up, and the conversion rate is right...

People need to chill out. The fact that people are so angry about this is proof of how fun the game is. If people didn't care about Warlight, they wouldn't be mad about paying for it. Instead they would just quit. However, I think people do need to stop and think about it from Randy's perspective. He's running the site by himself and has to pay a lot of money in server costs and the like. It's reasonable to think that at some point he is going to require payment in order to stay afloat. Unless he is very independently wealthy, paying $300+ a month to run this game is not something that can be maintained indefinitely, and that isn't even factoring the time commitment made.

Randy seems like a pretty reasonable guy. I'm sure he will take into consideration people's complaints and work on coming up with solutions for them, as long as they are reasonable. Saying stuff about how you hope the game dies isn't reasonable or warranted. If you truly enjoy playing Warlight, but are unable to pay the fee, then propose a rational solution or suggestions of how the free version of the game can be improved or provide suggestions for different or improved payment methods. Best case scenario, a suggestion you make gets implemented and you are able to continue playing Warlight in some capacity you can enjoy. The best case scenario of complaining and hoping the site dies is that you quit playing and lose out on something you enjoy. There's no value there.

I understand not being able to shell out $30 for the game. There are a lot of reasons why that may not be something that is possible or worthwhile to do. Mindless complaining about it doesn't accomplish anything, though.

My issue with a lifetime membership is the following (would love to have somebody tell me I am wrong though):

It is not really a lifetime membership. It does not guarantee that in the year 2020 I will be playing Warlight. It is a guarantee that I could be playing Warlight IF Warlight still exists. The owner could shut it down tomorrow, and all those who gave 30 bucks don't get them back. I think this is very unlikely, given the amount of work the owner has put into it.

What isn't unlikely, however, is that some time in the near future (maybe 1-5 years) Warlight is not turning a profit. In fact, it is costing the owner thousands of dollars a year. As much as he wants to keep Warlight going, and how horrible he would feel to pull the plug on everybody and especially those who have forked over the money, he realizes that he cannot support paying for that indefinitely. So he pulls the plug.

I will probably pay the money because even if Warlight was to be shut down in the near future to me it is worth it. But I would much prefer a pay-as-you-go option. It would also make me feel more comfortable knowing that there is an incentive for the owner to keep the site open if he isn't getting too many lifetime buyers because there are enough people being billed monthly.

devilnis:
"It does bear understanding that the global nature of the warlight players means that $30 could well be a severe and basically unsurmountable obstacle. For instance, I found information that said that the average yearly salary in Poland is about 800 PLN (Zloty). $30 USD is 86PLN, so the warlight payment would be equal to just under 11% of the average Pole's yearly salary, which if you made $50k USD every year would be tantamount to paying %5,500."

Actually, average salary in Poland is around 2500 PLN. It's official information from government or something, so real salary might be less but it isn't definitely 800 PLN.