And I'll just put that out,every nation that ever persecuted Jews (their modern equivalents). Which is..

Out of your list, most of these countries just had standard xenophobia - they hated Muslims (if they were Christian) and Christians (if they were Muslim), too. And make a list of 1948-on, I bet it will be much less.

Also, just because your ethnicity has been genocided does not mean you must genocide.

That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself.
Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5

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Russia : countless genocides (don't you dare to deny it, Xapy) and free trips to Siberia (Irkutsk was at one point majoritarly Catholic), also their laughable pretentions to all the land the Kievan Rus' once owned (Moscow was inhabited by Ugro-Finnic people back when the Rus was created, besides, culturally, they have little to do with Kievans). Expelled people from the Kresy (eastern Polish land before WWII) to the "retaken" land from Germany. Imprisoned and executed many people who fought Germany in WWII as "criminals" and "nazis" (which is an especially hideous crime). Of course, let us not bring all the cruelty of the tsars back in the old days.

Germany : I think we all know their most famous crimes, so not going to bring them up there. But there were pretentions to the land of the Teutonic Order (just because the Teutons were German?). And then, the Kulturkampf. Also, they had a truce with Poland before they invaded them in WWII...

Turkey : Armenian genocide. It was an especially horrible one. Also, they don't even admit they did it...

Serbia : Srebrenica. Many other cultural and religious genocides in the Balkans.

America : Where should we start, really? Don't know, so I'll just say what comes up to my mind : the war with Iraq (pointless and brought chaos to the Middle East), providing the future Taliban with weapons (foolish move...), Hiroshima and Nagasaki (well... maybe it was war, but still) and the apartheid system.

Japan : Signed a treaty for mutual peace with other countries. Invaded Manchuria. That's plain hypocrisy.
Massacre in Nanqing or what was it called like. Taking Korean and Chinese women as sex slaves.

Poland : (just to not make Xapy counter my words) Had a large population of Jews, but they were never accepted and there were many "pogroms" in which Polishmen burned the Jews's houses and also killed them occasionally out of pure envy, treated East Slavic minorities in the Commonwealth like under-people or not people at all at times.

I could name many other crimes for almost every state in the world, of course.

Armenians : killing 1-1.5 millions Ottoman citizens
Ottoman Empire : killing 700.000-1.2 Armenians during deport to Syria
USA : Middle East
France : Napoleon
UK : Producing war for profit
Germany : Austrian man named Hitler coming to power
Jews : damn lots of muslims dying
Saudi : womans obey males
China : Turks in West , Mongolians in North and Tibetians (thats what they are called right?) in south and many more gets killed
Most of Middle East countries : Terrorists LOTS OF THEM

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War with the whole Europe also wars in The New World also did i mention The Invasion of Russia which resulted in tons of deaths ? Yes he did bring tons of new stuff to the world but negative things he did is way more than the actual good things

Hahaha when and how did the Armenians kill 1,5 million Ottomans? Don't be ridiculous.

The rest I agree with. And Death, its called the 'Rape of Nanking,' but I've seen several spellings of that city.

Russia for the Ukrainian genocide, or Holodomor, of the 30's.

Most of the Armenians did side with Russia during WW1 They even killed Armenians who were neutral or loyal to Ottoman Empire why would Ottomans waste money resources and manpower to deport Armenians to syria for no reason during wartime ?

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Britain: Looted subcontinental India's wealth, starving millions and causing much of the poverty present today in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Enslaved tens of thousands of West Africans, and shipped them to America to labor in fields and mines.

Ancient Egypt: Suppressed and forced the Nubians to toil in gold mines for centuries.

Spain and Portugal: Stole the silver and riches of the Incas and Aztecs and destroyed those civilizations

Mongols: The sack of Delhi, the destruction of Baghdad, of Ryazan and Aleppo. The invasion of Hungary.

Crusaders: The massacre of Jerusalem's Muslims

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Armenia was divided between both the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire, so yes Armenians fought on both sides. However, the Ottoman Armenians enlisted in proportionatly greater numbers than their Turk and Kurdish nieghbours as many hoped that an Ottoman Victory would re-unite Armenia under the Ottoman Empire.

The United States was neutral in 1915 so they had an embassy and several consulates across the region. Their ambassadors were free to move around and they documented the atrocities. The US Government has since uploaded these documents for free online, and all their official transcripts dating from 1980 to the 1800's.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1915Supp/pg_981
"these new crimes against humanity and civilisation" - the first ever use of that phrase.

The word 'genocide' was later coined to describe what the Turks did to the Armenians.

As for why did they waste their resources to massacre their own people during wartime, because the Young Turks were paranoid, racist fuckwits. You may also have noticed that massacring your own people during a war is not uncommon, the Nazi's did it 30 years later using the Turks as a blueprint.

It is still not a 'genocide' they were deporting them if it was a genocide the army there at the time would just massacre whole villages with ease.
The reason lots of Armenians died is Ottoman Empire at the time was VERY poor seeing that opportunity lots of criminals attacked the deported armenians , food was hard to find and lastly sickness took the death toll to a different level.
Now what Armenians did is betrayel and genocide aganist Turks , if they did not side with Russia deportation would never happen in the first place

EDIT : The ones who did not side with Russia got killed anyways by their own kin
EDIT : Also yes i am not refusing the fact Young Turks killed Armenians but the number who got killed by YTs is around 100.000 at most

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It's a genocide if you take you ethnic Armenian soldiers off the front lines, get them to dig giant pits, and then shoot them.
Its a genocide if you go into villages, take out the men, line them up and shoot up to 300,000 of them off bridges, into pits and buildings.
Its a genocide when you march women, children and the elderly around a desert raping, beating and shooting them until they died in their hundreds of thousands.
Its a genocide of you sell the same women and children into slavery along the death marches. Its a genocide if you nail dead bodies of little girls to pieces of wood to mock their faith.
And its a genocide if you spend the next 100 years making up pathetic lies to cover your own asses after committing one of the worst atrocities in the history of the world.

I completely agree with eKell. You can't deny it... and so you prefer to make it a minor genocide. As eKell said,

you spend the next 100 years making up pathetic lies to cover your own asses after committing one of the worst atrocities in the history of the world.

And this does not apply only to Turkey. Russia, for instance, has a long tradition of genocide. Then Japan in WWII. Then probably many other nations...

These are even worse than Germany, because Germany actually admitted the Nazi actions were a big mistake and regret their actions.


It's unbelievable what humans do to theirselves.

yup thats called a genocide , thank god we didnt do even a quarter of what you just said

The Armenian Genocide[8] (Armenian: Հայոց ցեղասպանություն Hayots tseghaspanutyun),[note 3] also known as the Armenian Holocaust,[9] the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime"),[10] was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects inside their historic homeland, which lies within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 800,000 to 1.5 million. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested, subsequently executing, some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople.

From wikipedia.

About a million (or more) Armenians died. The fact that you might or might not have done several other atrocities does not mean it's better in any way.

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Liechtenstein - for being a tax haven.

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and if you're gonna talk wrong shit about my country lets start this : Aztecs , Incans many more Indians , Philippines did i mention what spain did with South America ? Francisco Pizarro is a great example of Spanish people no wait Franco is way better but lets not forget the cherry on the pie Acoma Massacre.
how could we forget The Spanish Conquistadors man they liked to burn people alive


EDIT : My guess is Spanish people killed total of ATLEAST 40-50 Millions and enslaved many more
EDIT : Lets not forget what spanish did to Russians : Blue Division WW2

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From Wikipedia , you do realize content there can be changed by anyone at anytime ?
I am not refusing the fact Turks killed Armenians but you MUST not refuse the fact Armenians killed atleast the same amount of Ottoman Citizens

Posting more horrible genocides to decrease the meaning of your genocide is not a good tactic. In fact, I have pity on you. Every genocide was horrible. Don't deny it. Regardless of how much Armenians were killed, it's still an unforgivable crime.

Also, if you're not okay with Wiki, I could link you a plenty of other articles who represent similar opinions.

Dude come on i literally said i am not refusing Armenians got killed , Ottoman Citizens got killed too. If you refuse that then you are basically refusing a genocide too. The reasons i did that was he provoked me. If for no reasons i insulted your country would you be happy?

EDIT : I also find it hilarious he says Turks are disgrace to humanity while his nations is basically built upon atrocities
EDITx2 : There were no state sponsored genocide but yes both sides did attack each other , Armenians started it by siding with Russia
EDITX3 : Whats done is done if you have a time machine good time to use it lol
EDITX4 : Lets drop this topic i have migraine and anger problems and i dont want to see more genocides or atrocities its making me sick

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Yet you're still finding an excuse for the Turks' action. That's the point. And I won't drop the topic. If you want to, stop looking at my posts...

USA : Killing Indians also there was something called road of tears and Middle East and stuff
France : Berbers got hit pretty bad
UK : Don't know where to start (but tea is a plus)
Netherlands : few killings in Ocenia
Germany : 2 World Wars
Belgium : Congo
Russia : Free Trip to Gulag
Japan : Merciless to Chinese during Sino-Japanese Wars and WW2
China : Living in Tiber , West China , Inner Mongolia = goodluck