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Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 09:58:37

Widzisz 
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Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 templates have been changed to remove most luck from them. They now use 0% luck, straight round, cyclic move order.

From recent blog post. Huh, I saw this one coming.

EDIT: oh, map is changed as well.

Edited 9/26/2015 10:04:33
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:01:33


Cata Cauda
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I am gonna cry now... I cant play with the new settings...
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:01:36


Nogals
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whoop whoop :) so happy
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:02:04


Nogals
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3v3 ladder as well. GET HYPE BITCHES. best update ever
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:11:11

Quicksand
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+10000000 for this update
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:35:33


hedja 
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Why Fizzer why!? :(
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:35:51


Strategos
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3v3 Europe :)
Straight Round on 3v3 Europe :(
Straight Round on 1v1 Ladder :(
Straight Round on 2v2 Ladder :/
New Map on 1v1 Ladder :/
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:38:59


Cata Cauda
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Straigh round sucks. Luck management requires more skill than just doing contant succesfully 3vs2 attacks... Also I want the old 1vs1 map back :(
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:47:11


Strategos
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Can't we have two 1v1 ladders? Old + New?
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 10:54:03

Widzisz 
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Can't we have two 1v1 ladders? Old + New?


+1
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:08:24


Strategos
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"Luck management requires more skill than just doing constant successfully 3vs2 attacks..." Yes, this is true. Plus, having so many extras with straight round leads to expansion being too fast.

A while ago I tried to adjust the defense and attack luck percentages (and the straight round luck percentages) to get better results. Ideally (to me), the best settings for straight round would be like this:

EITHER (a) 3v2 works every time but the conquered territory has 1 army, not 2, so you have to deploy 3 there the next turn to take another territory (this slows down growth by requiring an additional deployment each time...it adds up)

OR (b) 3v2 doesn't work every time, but it kills just enough so that the following turn you can kill with a 2v1 every time AND 4v2 works every time but the conquered territory is left with 2 armies each time.

Games with fast growth are less strategic. Anyone can throw around 20 income and do somewhat well. Getting to 20 income in the first place should require more skill.

Edited 9/26/2015 11:18:35
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:18:45


Ox
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3v3 Europe :)
Straight Round on 3v3 Europe :)
Straight Round on 1v1 Ladder :(
Straight Round on 2v2 Ladder :(
New Map on 1v1 Ladder :)
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:23:03


Nogals
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new map for 1v1 ladder sucks. miss the old one. can't just change the map like that
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:28:41


master of desaster 
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A dark day for warlight. I checked the forum today and had almost to cry. We just lost our best ladder. I can't believe this really happens. Did you even read your thread about removing luck from the 1vs1 ladder? I can't handle this...
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:30:08


Cata Cauda
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This is indeed a dark day for WL....
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:34:00


Buns157 
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Well at least the 2v2 ladder improved in my opinion.

The map really did not work with 16% WR, when you could fail trying to capture your starting 3 bonus it put you a turn behind.

Also it feels like the thread fizzer asked for opinions on luck settings was disregarded, it seemed a strong majority wanted to keep WR for sure on the 1v1 ladder.
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:39:10


Cata Cauda
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Ya the 16% where annoying indeed, but removing WR is just nonsense -.-
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:39:39

Quicksand
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my opinion worth 100 people opinions, thats why ladders changed...
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:45:21

#Master [QB] 
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What the hell have you done!!! You ruined your own game :-(
Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 changes: 2015-09-26 11:46:00


Min34 
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Strategic 1v1 and 2v2 templates have been changed to remove most luck from them. They now use 0% luck, straight round, cyclic move order.


So you make a thread asking whether or not you should change the luck on the 1v1 and 2v2 ladder. As most popular and frequent answers you get that 1) the 1v1 ladder shouldn`t be changed and 2) the 2v2 ladder should have a big change. This is what you come up with?

It has been said quite often that riskmanagement is a part of the game. You need more skill with a bit of luck than you need without luck.

Also it feels like the thread fizzer asked for opinions on luck settings was disregarded, it seemed a strong majority wanted to keep WR for sure on the 1v1 ladder.

tbh, to me it feels like the community got disregarded on the 1v1 ladder topic. I`d personally rather go back to the old 1v1 and lose the 3v3 than this.


On the otherhand, we at least got a 3v3 ladder, which was the most requested feature. So thats something.
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