I got booted

always told - boot is a part of a game. I don't get it why everyone want a another game

Its done! Its finally done! I can write up the final post! :)

Edited 2/8/2016 20:12:55

GE - thanks for running all of this. It was a great first experience for HAWKS. We're going to work on a couple things for next season.

Love the weekly updates!!!

^ Thanks for all your work GE! :D

Not that I'm trying to help lengthen D1's thread or anything... :P

Reading some of the posts here people think the head to head idea is not the way to decide..

Well by faith now this scenario is going to happen, Ahol AFAIK dropped participanting in clan league, So probably 101st will be promoting creating another spot in C if this happens.

The head to head on max points rule will be used to acknowledge who will get promoted and I think it is Yin-Yang thanks to Darklords handing wins to virtually anyone...

So unless ILLUMINATI wants to seriously appeal if this is how it's going to happen above ^^
It's Yin Yang promoting to C based on the head to head rule. This whole thing needs to be confirmed by Chris..

Well, there are nice ideas in here, but since they were not adopted up front, we need to stick with the rule that was...total points.

So, it sounds like AHol has dropped out, that means there will be an additional promotion from C to B (101st), and from D to C (top points after the normal promotions).

So Yin Yang has 173 and AWF has 168...all games completed so Yin Yang moves up to C as well. If an additional clan drops out, AWF will move up.

Edited 2/10/2016 15:37:18

And General Chous is now in Group D?

And now Group E only has 5 clans participating?

Poon Squad
Hawks
Dutch Forever
Juggernaughts
Olympus

And with (around) 7 clans joining next season there will probably be the same issue as this season, Clan League management should discuss a 100% different method of dividing the clans and deciding promotion because this system ended up being extremely flawed. So how clans get promoted for next season based on the size of Group E will be important.

As to my reaction, I am not sure what I'm going to do but I'm not happy (obviously). But I have time to decide what to do. Should I do a final update for this thread? Should I help run Group D next season?

I don't see how I can appeal the decision. If Clan League management has shown anything, its that once they make a decision come hell or high water they stick with that decision.

My advice to Clan League management: Limit new clans to 7 per season. Then you don't need to worry about multiple divisions and all this mess.

Catch me up here, what are you appealing? That Yin Yang should get that spot over Illuminati (who was 2nd place in the other division)? I can't see how I can change the rule now (it was stated as total points at the start). Even IF we did change that, how? Outside having the two clans go HTH, there is no fair way to resolve it since you did not have common matchups. And as I said, it will resolve itself once we can switch the format to more of a ladder+playoff system.


Regarding D, it will be:
FBG - 6th in C
Lost Wolves - 7th in C
AWF
Illuminati
M Hunters
CORP
General Chou

E will be the remaining clans from D1/D2:
Olympus
Poon
Juggernauts
Hawks
Dutch
Darklords - may not be back, committee may remove


F will be new clans (perhaps we should limit it to 7 as you say).

I am proposing that E also contain XS/ONE (other slot is in B) as a consolation for those who went to ONE or stayed in XS. If it is only 6 teams, or even 5...not a big deal. It would simply result in extra promotions from F as normal.

Ok, lets talk this through then. You said the top clan from each division would get promoted and the remaining clans would be ranked so they are divided between Division D and E for season 8. Unless I am wrong, you say nothing regarding ranking the clans for additional promotions. Correct me if I am wrong.

The process of promoting Yin Yang on points in entirely flawed. Why does Lu Fredd promote despite getting less points then Yin Yang and AWF? Because promotions aren't based on rankings across division D1 and d2, they are based on rankings in the individual divisions. So why are you now switching to blending the divisions to decide which clan to promote? Rather it should be promoting the 2nd place clans from both D1 and D2 to C or neither. I see no other option.

That is the system you established for promoting the first place clans and it seems only fair to continue that system for additional promotions.

Play a few games to determine the spot! It isnt like league A will be finished anytime soon.

Yeah agree with Great Expanse. In my opinion, the only fair way to judge the 3rd best clan across D1/D2 is to have a head-to-head between YinYang and Illuminati.

Maybe this was HHH's plan all along? To ensure fairness in Group D, he has made a noble sacrifice and prolonged Group A. Don't let it go to waste!!

somehow i would like to see a final ...

Horserace,

Points Growth and

Ranking Table

GE?

The deal was that the first two clans from D1 and D2 get promoted. If Lu Fredd wasn't promoted this would have been unfair. Illuminati however knew the goal, failed to achieve it and should now accept defeat with honor.

Here is what was stated on D1/D2 (see 2nd post on that page):

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/93697-clan-league-7-preperation-thread?Offset=200

I don't understand your logic of both or none. Who would you have me fill the 7th spot in C with if not Yin Yang? The only option would be to play with 6 in C (what is the point of that?) or to demote one less from C.

This is a very childish stance you are taking. "If we can't both have spots in C, then neither should"


If you guys want to play a HTH for it, by all means. I'm just going by the rules I stated before...where I said D1, D2, D3, D4, etc...not D1, D2, D3a & D3b (which is what you are suggesting).

Supposing we ignore points (because I agree Darklords skewed things with free wins). The standard tiebreaker we have always used in CL is tournament wins. Yin Yang has 4 tournament wins (1 shared 3 ways). Illuminati has 2. So that would put Yin Yang in for sure. Tournament wins is a fair measure because it ignores the case where everyone in a RR gets a free win. It only matters who beat the teams who were actually competing.

ONE has to start in division D!!
if not then xs have to get down!

Edited 2/11/2016 19:33:36

How come gerneral chou get promoted over olympus? they came 5th where as we came 4th.
I don't think we can use points in one case and position in the other. We should use one only, and the other in the case of a tie breaker. The way I see it, either we use points with position as a tie breaker, or position with points as a tie breaker. I'm personally fine with either, but lets be consistent.

If we use position with points as tie breaker, then VS, AWF, Yin Yang get promoted. General Chou stays in D, Olympus goes to E.

If we use position with points as tie breaker, then VS, Lu Fredd, Yin Yang get promoted. Olympus stays in D, General Chou goes to E.

As for illuminati, to say the points of D2 were over-rated because of darklords isn't really a fair statement, you would need to consider the qaulity of all the teams to be able to tell if points were over-rated, I could easily say that VS are a lot stronger than Lu fredd and so countered the darklord wins. So I don't think theres any way you get promoted unless another space opens up.

So I don't think theres any way you get promoted unless another space opens up.

*begins plotting a few harmless assassinations*

@ChrisCMU, I wanted you to prove your stance. You proved it. Yin Yang is being promoted. That is the end of discussion.

@Norman, God forbid I argue a point apparently.

@Let's Fight, I will update eventually once promotion/relegation stuff has calmed down.

@Hades, ChrisCMU has made it clear that Yin Yang is being promoted by points. Since he is using the precedent of ranking clans by points, General Chou got more points then Olympus so they remain in Division D next season. Rankings aren't used for who is in Division D and E, it is by the points a clan got.

Edited 2/11/2016 19:44:17