http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1d4_1445263692

With over 200.000 dead and more than 50% of the population turned into refugees. Another country that is deeply indebted to the USA, thanks for backing Al Qaeda terrorist groups in their struggle for what? Democracy? Women's Rights? Schools?

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Al Assad is a terrible person. The lesser of two evils is still lesser.

Obama is worse, spending billions of dollars on war and tearing up place after place, supporting terrorist orginizations and extremely conservative countries that execute you for adultery.

I'm willing to stand corrected, but how has Obama done anything to support the insurgents in Syria? (its funny that we call similar groups "Insurgents" and "terrorists" even though they fight for similar causes)
I am going to bed now, so when I don't respond its not be being an asshole or anything.

I read up on Assad a while back. Apparently he was reserved and not interested in power in his youth. He just wanted to remain anonymous and live a quiet, luxurious life when he was studying in the UK. But then the charismatic heir to the presidency, his brother, died, and his father, President Hafez, recalled him to Syria to prepare him for the presidency.
The Syrians were taken by surprise by his persistence in hanging on to power as the insurgency progressed. He did as he thought his father would have done, ruthlessly attempting to crush the rebels.

ah don't worry thomas buttler just got a problem with everything the USA does.

Uhhh USA publicly announced they were arming and training Insurgents in Syria and Iraq (Not ISIS but YPG and other terrorist groups) But whatever floats your boat

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To be fair America bombed the shit out of Syria cough cough world police

Good, fuck arabs hopefully they all get bombed. Also no way we jews are behind this. Trust us goyyim we're victims.

How much of the damage shown in that video was done by Assad's barrel bombs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bomb ?

Of course, you're right that the US strategy has failed miserably in Syria. But, Assad has killed far more civilians than either Al Qaeda or IS.

When a man uses chemical warfare on his own unarmed civilians, there should be a whole line of countries competing to be the first to beat the living sh*t out of him.

And, please. President Obama has not done nearly what he has promised to do regarding Syria.

The USA and Russia are both making the same stupid mistake in this case. Russia is supporting Assad, a terrible leader who is doing harm to his people. Many of the Syrian rebels (as the American media describes them) or terrorists (how Syria describes them) have committed atrocities attempting to take down Assad. Both Assad and most of the groups fighting him are also fighting ISIS. I feel that there was a huge chance missed by Russia and the USA. They could have jointly threatened to pull back aid unless their respective proxies in the region (Assad and some of these groups) agreed to a temporary ceasefire while ISIS was being fought. Currently, these two sides are taking resources intended to be used against a common enemy and using them against each other. As a result, ISIS continues to be a regional power, because Assad and these groups won't leave each other strong enough to fight ISIS. Making this agreement (which Assad and the groups would almost certainly agree to) would not only serve to unify Syria against ISIS, it would also provide the first step in any possible peace negotiations between Assad and the rebels, while also providing a step towards deescalation for the USA and Russia.


As a reminder for anyone who thinks Assad is a good person, not only has he used chemical weapons in the past, his only decently supporter is Russia. His other supporters are Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Iraq is essentially a non-country, Iran and North Korea automatically oppose the USA, and Russia has been very intent on proving its strength to the West lately, so I'm not sure if anyone but maybe Iraq actually thinks Assad is a good leader of Syria.

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Pity we can't just salt the region and move on... Damn it why is there never any easy options.

Myhand stop rabble rousing, you're only encouraging others to spread their propaganda.

As a reminder for anyone who thinks Assad is a good person, not only has he used chemical weapons in the past, his only decently supporter is Russia. His other supporters are Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Iraq is essentially a non-country, Iran and North Korea automatically oppose the USA, and Russia has been very intent on proving its strength to the West lately, so I'm not sure if anyone but maybe Iraq actually thinks Assad is a good leader of Syria.

Assad did not use chemical weapons, and is forced to ally with county's that oppose the USA. I don't see how that makes Asad a bad person.
Assad has always been Western minded and tryed to westernized Syria while holding stability. He also does not discriminate on race or religion.
Here some background information that is not propaganda: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/how-bashar-al-assad-became-so-hated/275058/

Now I may have missed something in your linked editorial, but I see nothing that talks about the chemical weapons that he used.

I didn't say that link was about him not using chemical weapons... oO
But for you: here a link that says he did not oder chemical wapons attack -> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild

@Woohoo While you are correct that Assad almost certainly did not use chemical weapons in the most recent controversy in Ghouta, he has used them in a limited-scale military capacity during the recent war. Obviously, this is not as bad as using them against civilians, but in my opinion, chemical weapons shouldn't be used at all.

he has used them in a limited-scale military capacity during the recent war.

at least provide a link that backs it up...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796150/Syria-chemical-weapons-how-the-Telegraph-found-evidence-of-chlorine-and-ammonia-gas-bombs.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/evidence-mounts-of-chlorine-gas-attacks-in-syria-a-968108.html

both about the same incident.

There are a few more, but I don't feel like copy/pasting them all and I feel these two are sufficient evidence.