Just like the title sayes without joining a clan how does one start to get an enjoyment from diplomacy games...

I've only ever played one and it was Ok but do you have any RP tips. A good diplomacy game is all about how good you role play Right? (or am missing something)

Also I hear variety is good for instance one game your'll act like a powercrazy loon and the next yourll act like a peacemaker of follow a certain ideology.

Basically other than stuff I've listed what else makes a good diplo? (or is what I listed all rubbish)

That depends on how you enjoy it. Diplomacies are more personal. If you enjoy being a warmonger and a general asshole, do so, but others might not like it. If you enjoy being neutral, try doing so. Etc..

Generally, a good diplomacy would be with a minimal amount of boots/surrenders and NO RULE BREAKERS (seriously, I'm tired of them ^^). RP is optional, but it makes games more fun. Or, if you play an ultra-RP diplomacy, it can be centered around RP.

Edited 10/28/2015 23:33:00

Don't break rules, and have fun, that's the whole point of a Diplo. I would say play it how you like (staying in the rules) but so long as you play honestly then I feel personally like it's ok. For example, if you want to warmonger, right from the start talk about being a powerful force that will take over the world and you will fight with anyone anytime, etc, etc. Then I don't see a problem with it :)

Whether a Diplo is good or not depends entirely on who you're playing with, I suggest joining diplos that go up, talking to people helps a lot, blacklist players you don't like as you go, get to make friends who play Diplos you enjoy, and go from there, that's how I do it, and I'm not even in a clan :)

Sounds great I really will have to start playing them more.

One more question I guess multiday diplos are better or is it just a matter of personal preference.

Edited 10/28/2015 23:50:07

People will get booted a lot more in real time diplo's as they take a while to fill up so most people go away and aren't there when they start.

Diplomacy unless regular games players need a different skill set that includes being manipulative and reading certain situations very well. Being a warmonger is always one of the worst things to do since players will willingly destroy you. The thing to getting good at them is the process of slowly becoming powerful without others realizing what you are doing. Also you need to be very careful and think every move you make and how it affects the overall stage. Knowing what to do at what time is crucial and if someone starts as the smallest in the game they still have a chance. The ones that are difficult to be are massive as they have more on their plate and can have cooperative alliances planning their downfall. If you want to get better set up a game with me and Ill help you learn the intricacies.

Being a warmonger is always one of the worst things to do since players will willingly destroy you.

Not true at all. For some reason too many people support warmongers at all costs.. even when they have no chance to win.
I dont fucking know why but everyone loves warmongers .-.
I have played many diplos and the warmongers always win becuase of popularity...

Edited 10/29/2015 00:43:37

Thanks alot for the offer but seeing as I've only played 1-2 diplos yet I think it would be wasted on me.

Just create one on a good template, put it up on multi-day, and you'll start getting invites from the other players. Diplo players generally just invite people they know/like b/c of how the Friend List mechanism works on WL.

Generally warmongers are good enough at getting allies before starting fights, so everyone is scared of what looks like a huge alliance that's willing to fight.

Edited 11/1/2015 21:35:03

The trick is to make strong allies early on, and then to justify your wars so that people agree with you.
In my experience diplos should end by the highest level'd remaining allies surrendering to the lowest level'd.

id like to play in some diplos if anyone want to invite me

(I still maintain that the biggest issue with "diplomacy" games is that no one wants to explain exactly how the games are run. In every game I've played, there have been players who assume it's a competitive game and others who do not, players who think the roleplay is important, and players who have no interest in the roleplay at all, and so forth.)

(If you are hosting a "diplo" game, do everyone a favour and spell it out. Everyone *assumes* that everyone else knows what a "diplo" is, but, in reality, everyone has a different idea. There is no "standard" diplomacy game; only a dozen or so different understandings of "how it should be played", and no communication between the groups.)

If you're playing in one, don't be shy: ask. Particularly the creator should be unafraid to explain what kind of game you're getting into, and how it should be played "optimally".

As for the "aggressive" players doing really well, one thing I've noticed is that a lot of Diplomacy games spend a lot of time being - frankly - incredibly boring. Dozens of turns with nothing happening for the majority of players, stuff like that. So players who are aggressive and actually make things happen are valued for making the game *fun*.

Given the choice between sitting there and doing nothing, or engaging in some kind of exciting war... many players take the safe choice and keep the peace. But many others crack sooner or later out of boredom and join in, even if it's not to their advantage strategically.

Edited 11/1/2015 04:11:33

tbh, there are two ways to play a diplomacy.

1: Roleplaying - Taking a diplo as a roleplaying game and committing yourself to act like a true leader of a nation. This kind of people generally frown at multiple wars and tend to prefere Multi-day games.

2: Warmongering - Taking a diplo as a FFA with a special set of rules in which being socially skilled and manipulative makes you the winner. This kind of people don't really like Roleplaying and have a beef with roleplayers, for they tend to fight until the bitter end rather than surrender and will try to start massive coalitions against warmongers. This kind is more often seen in Real-time games.

Diplomacy games are pretty much all I play, I always try to role play my best, however most diplomacy's end up with a chat like this.



Empire of Kilos is angry at Liberals and PC, Ello

That one guy who allies every body,
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas, The
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burma
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Congo, Republic of the
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Curacao
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia, The
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Holy See
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
North Korea
South Korea
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestinian Territories
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Sint Maarten
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Wanna ally?


The 50 people who get booted first turn, ...

That one PE, World is mine!

The one who declares war first, War to Empire of Kilos is angry at Liberals and PC.

The oversensitive guy, WAR TO THE WARMONGERING The one who declares war first!


Mr I didn't get a good spot so lets VTE, VTE guy's this game is dead,


The one guy who doesn't VTE forcing the game to go on 20 turns longer than it should, Noooo surrender to me!!!


Empire of Kilos is angry at Liberals and PC, This diplo suckks...

GrammarNazi, *Sucks* you stupid child.


MLGDANKBLUNT360420SWAG_YOLO!!!, I am the Empire of Doge!!!


The guy who finds MLGDANKBLUNT360420SWAG_YOLO!! funny, COOL! LET'S ALLY LORD DOGE!!!


That guy who makes references to old games, Remember Lunism?


Guy who surrenders after losing a single territory, I surrender!!

End of game... +Zero Points -2 hours of your life

Edited 11/1/2015 05:34:23

how does one start to get an enjoyment from diplomacy games...

i think nobody ever got an enjoyment from diplomacy games

I think what makes diplos so boring a lot of the time is when people are auto-assigned every territory, or claims must be respected. Then there is no conflict between players except if one is a PE, so these games need PEs to make them interesting. When claims don't have to be respected, and there are territories to take, two people start a war by claiming the same territory. Then, the game is more interesting, and no one gets blacklisted.

Haahahaha Empire of Kilos's post. Pretty much most of the RT diplos I played in a nutshell.

i think nobody ever got an enjoyment from diplomacy games

That's certainly wrong. I mean, why would people still join them? I understand a big group of players doesn't find it enjoyable, but saying "nobody" is a big overstatement.
You just have to play with the right people... because there are some guys like in Kilos' post - simply being jerks ^^

Diplomacy games are fun, all my games (98%) are actually a diplomacy one. Diplomacy is better with rp. Let say we have a PE, I'll treat him as ISIS. Make as many as conflicts, even the tiniest so it would be fun to play. In many games, a conflict would be a World War, but only end there. It should be a cycle instead of a one conflict, so it would be endless or end in 40-50 turns. I see boot as a main problem as once missing 10 players, the game would be dead and peoples start saying about unfair and things like landgrabbing. So diplo is fun if all players are actually participating on it.