Why people do not seem to be concerned at all about Climate Changes ?

What politician is the best to fight the climate/pollution ?

What measures you are doing to reduce pollution ? (Solar panels stories or simple things like turn off the tap / reasonable heating / re-use water / save electricity with Energy Star products.


________________________________-

Participants may add extra questions. I will format the OP for statistics/summary/links...



Year 2015 is very very alarming and everyone should be worried.

I'm just going go leave this...

if you are really worried about climate change then convince you congressmen to side with nuclear energy. it's the only energy that is reliable and can feed all us energy hunger americans. (it also has minimal pollution) ((but those rich oil companies would never let this happen :/))

and also ^ thank you luna.

and just because i know someone is gonna mention it, the UN report on climate change is just over exaggerated. (and they only do it so the UN still looks important)

another book from a conservative politician/journalist denying climate change, who have zero credential regarding climatology science. Leave science to scientists.

What are citations... And it's not honest to say all scientist agree. Why don't you read it instead of just sticking your fingers in your ears not researching the subject.

Also sorry for sounding so grumpy.

Edited 10/30/2015 15:49:56

All scientist never agree on anything. However, when there is a scientific consensus, when 90%+ of scientists in the relevent field all over the world agree on something, it would be extremely stupid to deny what they are saying.

And no, i won't bother reading the book of a politician on a subject like climate change, since he has no credentials to have a relevent opinion on the matter anyway.
Show me a scientific paper published in a peer reviewed scientific journal, showing that climate change isn't real through a scientific study following the scientific method, and you'll get my attention.

Scientists don't get to say stuff without backing them with evidences, without following a rigorous scientific protocol, and i don't see why politicians should be exempt of that, especially when they mess with scientific issues. That Nigel Lawson guy can have his opinion on the matter if he want, but his opinion on the matter is about as relevent as my opinion on the history of classical operas. Worthless

Edited 10/30/2015 17:38:28

Just to make this clear I am not denying natural climate change mearly contesting the idea of Man made climate change (mmcc).

Also suposing mmcc exist what are we supposed go do about it. Literally nothing of value can be done by humans to stop climate change whether it is created by us or natural.

Literally nothing of value can be done by humans to stop climate change whether it is created by us or natural.

Wow. keep telling that to yourself, that way you don't have to feel responsible for the consequences. Of course this is complete bullshit but hey, if that make you feel better.

While America is a big contributor, we should also look at other countries, such as China.

China alredy are taking action.... they are literly living in cities full of smog. (No way for the Gov. to hide that! so they are clening up)

America.... well some are doing somthing, most are doing a littel. They can (almost) all do more.

@125ch209

Ok explain what can be done Its not about responsiblity it about realism. China and India / other rising powers will never reduce there emissions. Money talks and there is no money or economic development to be made by these country's for reducing carbon emissions.

China and India / other rising powers will never reduce there emissions

China is the first investor in green energy with 90Billion $ invested in 2014, far ahead of the US with 50B$. The rest of the developped world should lead the way toward sustainable energy. Of course if we are going to tackle the issue of climate change, there should be a global mobilisation toward that goal, we can hope that the COP21 in Paris in december will make some progress in that direction.

there is no money or economic development to be made by these country's for reducing carbon emissions.

Yet another ignorant statement, green energy can be a very good incentive for inovation and economic growth. The fact that China is heavily investing in renewable energy should give you some hints. I have nothing against you, but so far you have made so many wrong assertions based on your lack of understanding of the global economics and climate change, that it is hard not to be rude. The fact that you imply that we should do nothing about climate change is extremely irresponsible, and just because you don't understand the situation doesn't mean that there is nothing to be done. We should do something about climate change, and we should do it yesterday. If even 10% of the prediction of scientists turn out to be true, then doing nothing is going to cost us A LOT more than actually trying to do damage control.

At the risk of sounding like a complete asshole I'm going to make another post...

First of all I'll admit I was not aware of how much money China was investing in sustainable energy. That being said there are still thousands of coal plants In China with tens of new ones built every year.

Also regarding the COP21 while if (mmcc)exist I would like it to be fixed there have been scores of summits about renewable energy and fossils fuel and what normally gets done zilch.

---

http://m.phys.org/news/2013-04-world-energy-dirty-years-iea.html

While the article is two years old it still talks about how each unit of energy has not got any cleaner in the past decades.

---

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/satellite-data-shows-no-global-warming-for-nearly-19-years/

Global warming has stopped for 15-20 year's.

---

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

There's quite a few that don't agree and any figures like the 96% one are very misleading.

---

The earth climate has always change thought it's existence I fail to see who any change now is not part of that cycle. Thought there hasn't even been any change in the last 20 years.



Feel free to completely destroy me it is good to be proven wrong one learns better from making an ass out of them self and them being corrected.

All scientist never agree on anything. However, when there is a scientific consensus, when 90%+ of scientists in the relevent field all over the world agree on something, it would be extremely stupid to deny what they are saying.

This is fascist attitude. Don't be so arrogant.

@Luna

http://www.upf.edu/pcstacademy/_docs/Pew-Science_Survey_2009.pdf

http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/public-praises-science-scientists-fault-public-media/ (summary)

In this survey from 2009 (wich is a very interesting survey on a number of issues, you should really take a look at it), page 41, you'll see that 94% of US scientists agree that global warming is happening, 84% think it is due to human activity. And these are from a wide range of scientists, i would expect that among the scientist whom area of study is more relevent (climatology scientists), that number would be more like 99%. And this is from 2009 and in the US only. I would bet a lot that if you were to make a survey for scientist from all develloped countries in 2015, this number would be way up.

Here is the wikipedia page on the history of surveys made about this topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change#cite_note-DZ_EOS_2009-16

The last one (Powell 2013) is very telling. Out of 13,950 published research on global warming and climate change in peer reviewed scientific journals, between 1991 and 2012, only 24 rejected anthropogenic global warming (caused by humans). And out of 2,258 peer-reviewed articles published between November 2012 and December 2013 only ONE of the 9,136 authors rejected anthropogenic global warming.
If That's not a consensus, i don't know what is.

I haven't looked at your first link in detail but i would also expect that the energy consumption on a global level isn't much cleaner now than 20 years ago, mostly due to china/india booming.
This is no reason why we should stop the fight and give up, do nothing and continue to trash the planet in the hope that the scientist were all wrong or that jesus will come back to destroy the earth before we do it ourselves.


As for the "pause" in global warming, Lord Christopher Monckton is a well known disinformer and has been debunked many times. Here is an example: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/09/21/206763/lord-monckton-debunked-climate-scientists/

Here are the numbers from NASA (sry i couldn't get the gif to fit): 9 out of the 10 warmest years ever recorded (starting in 1880) have occured in the last 15 years.
The Nasa website is incredibly well done, you'll find a lot of information there:
http://climate.nasa.gov/



C02 in the earth atmosphere for the last 650,000 years



Edited 10/31/2015 03:45:03

@Luna:

I forgot to ask, but i'm interested in the "why" you think climate change is not caused by humans?
What reasons do you have for not accepting what the overwhelming majority of scientists have been telling us for the last 2 decades?

Why would you dismiss the warnings of people who's job is to study reality.

Do you think there is a global conspiracy among scientists to make the public believe that the earth is warming and that the climate is changing? What do you think are their motives for such an elaborate conspiracy?

What "evidence" exactly makes you think that you are right? On what are you basing your opinion? Can you give me the most compelling evidence you have that you are right?

And considering the terrible consequences we are facing why would you chose to do nothing just in case you are wrong?

I suppose that you must have very good reasons for contesting the evidences of 15000+ published studies for a "man made climate change", right?

Edited 10/31/2015 04:37:10

I forgot to ask, but i'm interested in the "why" you think climate change is not caused by humans?
What reasons do you have for not accepting what the overwhelming majority of scientists have been telling us for the last 2 decades?

Why would you dismiss the warnings of people who's job is to study reality.

Do you think there is a global conspiracy among scientists to make the public believe that the earth is warming and that the climate is changing? What do you think are their motives for such an elaborate conspiracy?

What "evidence" exactly makes you think that you are right? On what are you basing your opinion? Can you give me the most compelling evidence you have that you are right?

And considering the terrible consequences we are facing why would you chose to do nothing just in case you are wrong?

I suppose that you must have very good reasons for contesting the evidences of 15000+ published studies for a "man made climate change", right?

I was going to go on a tirade here for your facism and absolutely disgusting arguing but then I saw

Feel free to completely destroy me it is good to be proven wrong one learns better from making an ass out of them self and them being corrected.

Off the hook for now.

Edited 10/31/2015 05:09:16

Denying anthropogenic climate change is *exactly* as stupid and arrogant as being a creationist. If you can understand why creationism is stupid shit, you should be able to notice that climate denialism is just as stupid and shitty. And Nigel Lawson is a retarded dickwad. And he's wrong, too.

When will people start taking responsibility for the fucking stupid shit they believe and clean up their brains? Hey climate denialists, your brains are full of stupid shit! Clean them out already!

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
  
• http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_warming_denialism
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Lawson#Position_on_global_warming
  
• http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nigel_Lawson
  

Edited 10/31/2015 06:00:00

And thank you 125ch209 for being a voice of reason.

Global warming is a lie.