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Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 16:23:25


Deadman 
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Nice!! Now while you're at it, take a look at the ranking algo(assuming you're using the same) and fix it. It's a pesky bug which I'm not able to find :P
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:08:10


l4v.r0v 
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@burro: it might be because of your level; do you have a higher-level account you could try with?

This is the output when I call your account with the Validate Token API on the template this ladder uses:


u'template655094': {u'reasonCode': u'MultiAttackAndAttackByPercentageLocked', 
u'result': u'CannotUseTemplate'}



@Ben: the old version was entirely thrown out and replaced with one that's based on what MoD made (it's almost entirely his code on top of Fizzer's)

@MoD: I'll try to figure that one out; any details?

So the function calls in clot.py that use the TrueSkill library seem right. I'm going to simulate some ladders and see whether their behavior is affected by the initial mu-sigma setup or whether you need to change something else if you change initial mu sigma since I think that's the likely culprit (as it's the only big thing changed).

Edited 11/3/2015 18:29:57
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:40:20


Benjamin628 
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How many games does it allot at a time?

1, I believe.

Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:43:16


master of desaster 
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Yeah that changed. He included MotDs clot data. Up to 5 games possible
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:49:23


l4v.r0v 
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You can adjust the settings on the ladder page: http://wl1v1-clot.appspot.com/lot/5629499534213120
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:53:41


Deadman 
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You can play up to 9 games actually :P

@knyte - The Trueskill library was acting funky after a significant number of games. The ratings don't seem to change much after 1000+ games on the CLOT. I can give you access to the other CLOT which has the repro, so you can investigate if you like.
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 18:59:51


l4v.r0v 
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Yeah, I'd appreciate that. I assume multi-day-ladder would be an example of that happening?

Also, is this an issue just for the players who've played a lot of games or for new players too?

I've also invited your GitHub account (the one you linked me to) to the GitHub group for all this so you can also fork repos into that if you'd like.

Edited 11/3/2015 19:03:24
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-03 19:12:11


Deadman 
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Check PM. Thanks for the github invite. I'm a bit busy at the moment. Although I may contribute, once I free up.
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-04 08:26:19


master of desaster 
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It works very well so far! :)
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-04 17:18:55


Fleecemaster 
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Yes, it works great! Well done to all involved in the creation process, you also have my gratitude as I'm sure from the rest of the community too :)
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 04:43:17


l4v.r0v 
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This won't take off if we only have 16 people in it. Can we advertise it through clans?

Or I guess people just like the new ladder better or don't prefer the old ladder settings enough to join a CLOT for it?
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 06:26:42


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I think it's growing at a healthy pace myself, we're already at 16 and when I joined there was less than 10. If you build it, they will come :)
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 06:44:04


l4v.r0v 
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It's been stagnant for the past two days. I don't think enough people realize it exists yet.
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 18:52:08


Fleecemaster 
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I seem to be getting a lot of duplicate games (2 games vs the same player) and also I think I'm getting more games than I should, I have 6 games when I *think* I only had it set to 5.

I went back to check it was set to 5 and it seems I had to rejoin the ladder to see my profile, not sure if that's normal or not, and I have now set it to 5, so I'll keep an eye on it :)
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 18:55:23


hedja 
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I got a duplicate with MotD when I am down for only 1 game at a time. something should be tweaked with :)
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 19:00:21


l4v.r0v 
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Yeah, trying to find and patch that. Not the first time this issue has happened. :/

I'm going to stop running CRON manually and see if that makes a difference. Could you report any such games in this thread so I can track the times they happen at?

Edited 11/5/2015 19:00:56
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 19:12:29


Fleecemaster 
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https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9786417
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9786416

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9786415
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9786414

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9777802
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9777801

It's interesting that they are all sequential, that would suggest to me they are being duplicated at point of creation.

That would also explain how I got 6 games instead of 5. It was duplicated before it checked what my max number of games was set to.

Edited 11/5/2015 19:17:04
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-05 19:22:41


l4v.r0v 
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Yep- all these games have similar start times. I'm going to check whether the API is being called twice.
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-07 08:09:52


l4v.r0v 
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So cron doesn't seem to be running except manually. I think I've figured it out, though, and I put in a fix that should work.
Resurrecting the Old 1v1 Ladder: 2015-11-10 05:20:02


Fleecemaster 
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Swish :)
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