>lol irish people
>always wishing to be relevant

Add Belgium. It should be in there! =P

And add Poland ofc.

Sorry Plat but what influence do the Irish have on the world? I'm not hating, I have Irish friends and South Africans don't need a visa to go to Ireland and vice versa(the only european country South Africa has this arrangement with), but what influence have they actually had on the world beside Bono?

I'm pretty sure he was joking, but I looked your truth up. South African citizens can actually go to these European countries without visa: Ireland, Georgia, Kosova, Ossetia, Pridnestrovia, and Famagusta.

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Dude first off KOSOVO
and Kosovo isn't a fucking country. btw South Africa doesn't recognise Kosovo as an independent state since its not an independent state. Kosovo is Serbia. Fact.


Georgia and Ossetia. Had to google Pridnestovia and Famagusta. To be honest I don't know enough to say anything about that but they don't appear to be countries either.

Dude first off KOSOVO

Yeah, I know what you mean there, ha.

and Kosovo isn't a fucking country. btw South Africa doesn't recognise Kosovo as an independent state since its not an independent state. Kosovo is Serbia. Fact.

I'm not Kosovar or Albanian, you're not offending me with this. But it's independent from Serbia, it has its own taxes and government and laws that are not Serbian, and whether or not a country's government recognises it. And even though South Africa doesn't recognise it, South African citizens are still visa free (just not the other way about). Georgia is recognised by South Africa and all the UN as independent, and as for the rest, they don't have full recognition, but it's the same as Kosova. They are countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

If more that half of the world doesn't recognise you as a state, then you're not a state. Kurdistan, Palestine, and Tibet has more recognition and deserve to be countries.

Kosovo was started by terrorists. The KLA are terrorists: fact
Kosovo is not a country, nor will it ever be. Kosovo is Serbia

Kosovo isn't de jure a country for some, but de facto, it is. Still better than Abkhazia, South Ossetia, insert-random-puppet-of-Russia-here

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USA 9
Russia 11
UK 10
China 10
France 10
Brazil 10
Australia 12 +1 (Because Steve Irwin was my childhood.)
Iran 10
India 8
Mexico 9
Japan 11
Canada 9
South Africa 10
Germany 11
Nigeria 10
Turkey 9 (Stop denying the Armenian Genocide already!)
Israel 10
Indonesia 10

USA 9
Russia 11
UK 10
China 10
France 10
Brazil 10
Australia 12
Iran 10
India 9 +1 (one of only 3 hindu majority nations in the world)
Mexico 9
Japan 11
Canada 9
South Africa 10
Germany 11
Nigeria 9 -1 (Can't control Boko Haram which is threatening adjacent regions)
Turkey 9
Israel 10
Indonesia 10

Edited 12/3/2015 17:26:09

If more that half of the world doesn't recognise you as a state, then you're not a state.

What? This just doesn't make sense. In the Marianer Trench, there's no sunlight. But there are red organisms that live there. However, 1: visible light going through water doesn't really detect red light. Is it safe to say that they are actually black fish, and not red? No. And 2: since they are black, the fish aren't noticed as well from most light sources in the trench. But it's not right to say that there is no fish, either. Why are states handled as a trusted source for deciding this? Do this by raw population data, if you want, but states? They say whatever makes them look relatively best - that's like using gunshop advertisements to find out whether or not [exclusive gun sold at 2/5 businesses] is better than [exclusive gun sold at the rest].

Kurdistan, Palestine, and Tibet has more recognition and deserve to be countries.

I'm pretty sure no UN members recognize Kurdestan, though it is a country. Palestine is more recognised (and is a country, too), and Tibet? Everyone recognises that Lhasa is owned by the CFR, it's just most everybody acknowledge the government-in-exile as well.

Kosovo was started by terrorists. The KLA are terrorists: fact

This is very hasty and assuming to say. But you know what, even if that's true, it is irrelevant. The "terrorists" have made a very big site that Serbia has no control over. Just look at Serbia's autonomous province-in-exile, Kosovo and Metohija. Officially it's capital is in Priština. Really, the gathering meets (and isn't ashamed of it) in a norther borough called Mitrovicë.

Kosovo is not a country, nor will it ever be. Kosovo is Serbia

Oh my god, who brainwashed you here? What % your friends are Serbin?
Kosovo is an independent country, and the Albanians and Kosovars shall always have independence from Serbia. Kosova is Kosova. God is a Kosovar.

Kosovo isn't de jure a country for some, but de facto, it is. Still better than Abkhazia, South Ossetia, insert-random-puppet-of-Russia-here

Well, by better, you mean more recognised, I assume, but that doesn't really make it better overall. Abkhazia is a better site to live than Kosova, in my opinion. Ossetia I bet is just about the same life goodness.

Edited 12/4/2015 06:48:22

USA 8 -1; San Bernardino Shooting
Russia 10 -1; Turkey incident proved Russia is afraid to fight NATO
UK 10
China 11 +1; I like Asian porn
France 9 -1; My French teacher does a bad job of teaching
Brazil 10
Australia 11 -1; For making New Zealand irrelevant
Iran 11 +1; For being the TRUE ARYANS
India 9
Mexico 10 +1; Great food
Japan 12 +1; For making best porn
Canada 9
South Africa 10
Germany 10 -1; Pretending to be "Aryans"
Nigeria 9
Turkey 10 +1; Because if it wasn't in NATO the same thing would have happened like Ukraine
Israel 9 -1; Doing nothing about ISIS even though it's the closest country
Indonesia 11 +1; Proving Muslim Nations aren't terrorists

Edited 12/4/2015 07:07:06

i vote uk give 9000 armies