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Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 17:38:05


ChrisCMU 
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I was looking through uservoice, and there are some things that need attention (I know it must be daunting for him to check through those all the time, and he probably just looks at new items):

1) EU ladder change start amounts - completed:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/9933171-eu-ladder-request-4x4-in-place-of-4x5-cause-4x5-su



2) 1v1 ladder - how many votes needed to have a poll? If enough, should have poll and delete these stories:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/9945369-bring-the-old-1vs1-ladder-back

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/10219560-dont-bring-back-the-old-1vs1-ladder-back



3) Teammate takes over for AI - Fizzer asked for feedback, there are tons of responses. Follow up would be nice:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/1240763-teammate-takes-over-for-booted-surrendered-player



4) Clan page overhaul - Many stories, why not combine the votes into one?:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/7085564-overhall-of-clan-system

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/5885580-clan-manager-improvement

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/5720216-update-clan-pages-with-more-options

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/7955508-add-a-hierarchical-clan-management-system



5) Bring back old dashboard - This is a dead issue (not changing), so why is this story just sitting there? Should be closed and votes given back
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/9183662-bring-back-open-games-and-my-games



6) Warlight vs Warzone - isn't this also a dead issue?
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/7178774-i-would-like-to-see-the-name-stay-warlight



7) EU ladder attack only option - no idea why this is not on, would be 5 second fix:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/10613226-make-attack-only-option-available-on-the-3v3-ladde

Edited 12/31/2015 17:39:00
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 17:43:12


Kenny • apex 
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Please give us attack only. We nearly lost a ladder game because we needed attack only for an advantageous play. It turned out to be fine, but was really worried it wouldn't be.
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 17:48:38


ChrisCMU 
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Yes, all ladders, including seasonal should have attack only, transfer only and attack by % on. No reason not to, even if most people rarely use some of them.
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 17:54:52


TBest 
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"even if most people rarely use some of them."

Well, that was Fizzer's reasoning for not having it, I believe. (I would have added them through.)
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 18:06:04


ChrisCMU 
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Well, that is a silly reason, if it is the reason. Strategic templates should have the settings which produce the best measure of skill on them. It is after all a ladder.

There are plenty of rarely taken bonuses on the ladders, should we just set those to 0 because they are rarely used for income?


The answer is no. No reason not to have the options.

Edited 12/31/2015 18:06:44
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 18:29:46


Fan the Apostle
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I so agree with 4

Edited 12/31/2015 18:29:55
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 18:31:09


Deadman 
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Yes, all ladders, including seasonal should have attack only, transfer only and attack by % on. No reason not to, even if most people rarely use some of them.


Well, that is a silly reason, if it is the reason. Strategic templates should have the settings which produce the best measure of skill on them. It is after all a ladder.



I've played a ton of games on French Brawl, and neither me nor my opponents have ever needed attack by %. Same reason why there is no reinf card on this template as well.

Just because a setting is strategic on one template, I don't think we should be using it blindly on every template. Then, every template will just be the same on a different map.

Edited 12/31/2015 18:32:40
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 18:54:00


Kenny • apex 
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Aye, but let's have a reason to not allow a setting. Percentages allow you to do mechanically interesting moves. If the point of the template is to remove those possibilities it's fine. It's best used in WR to where it's not 100% how much you will lose to your opponent's attack, and sometimes you want to make damn sure you can attack 2 territories after your opponent attacks. However you want one attack to be heavier than the other. You want a 4v2 and a 2v1, but you might lose 1 extra army due to luck, making your attack go to 4v2 and 1v1. You could say: Well just make it 3v2 and 2v1 and there's no problems. But then you could lose the 3v2 on a crucial elim that you otherwise would've had a 4v2 going to :P.

So yeah, percentage will immediately allow you to make that move work correctly for both scenarios.
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:04:33


ChrisCMU 
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MOD - Huh? How is a ref card the same as attack by %? A Ref card completely changes the way the template is played, in EVERY GAME. % attack likely does not change games %95 of the time. The premise was people won't use it, so why include it. Are you saying people would not use the Ref card?


Nobody can give a reason not to have advanced attack options (aside from most won't use them), yet there are reasons to have them.

Edited 12/31/2015 19:04:54
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:07:08


Deadman 
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I know why it is useful :/. I'm just saying I see no need for it on the template since it is quite complex as is.


Looks like y'all are looking for a buffet when it comes to templates. I'm going for fine dining :P
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:08:15


ChrisCMU 
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And I still use % attacks in SR also. Let's say I am delaying a poke. I might have 7 armies on the spot, but what if they poke me with a 3? I don't want to send two 3s as my pokes, because if they poke me, my 7 becomes a 5 and I think poke with a 3 and a 1. The 1 is a wasted poke (won't take territory, and if no armies on it, just a lost army for nothing).

But, if I send %50 attack and %100 attack, it will either send 3 and 3 (they don't hit me) or 2 and 2 (they do poke with 3).


There are reasons to use it, even if you don't.
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:11:07


ChrisCMU 
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I'll use your buffet analogy. Let's say there is a buffet at a restaurant. You give your customers a fork and knife on the table, but no spoon. Your justification is that there is only 1 item on this buffet that requires a spoon (soup), and most people don't like the soup anyway. Only %5 of people will even select the soup, so why provide a spoon at all?
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:11:45


Deadman 
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The premise was people won't use it, so why include it. Are you saying people would not use the Ref card?


I'm saying a reinforcement card is redundant on French brawl since there are extra armies per extra territories which encourage expansion. The reason why reinf cards are added on most templates, is to encourage expansion, and that purpose is being served in a different way here.



Nobody can give a reason not to have advanced attack options (aside from most won't use them), yet there are reasons to have them.


Clearly we have different ideas on what a good template must be, so I won't press further.
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:14:18


ChrisCMU 
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No, I think it is a good template. What I am saying is there is no reason NOT to include the option. There are reasons NOT to put a ref card in (completely changes the game).

Ignorance (other people not understanding the use) is no reason not to have it
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:14:44


Deadman 
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I'll use your buffet analogy. Let's say there is a buffet at a restaurant. You give your customers a fork and knife on the table, but no spoon. Your justification is that there is only 1 item on this buffet that requires a spoon (soup), and most people don't like the soup anyway. Only %5 of people will even select the soup, so why provide a spoon at all?



You miss my point completely. This is not meant to be a buffet!! The template is quite complex and allows for multiple ways to demonstrate strategy. I don't see the need for adding another layer of complexity.

Edited 12/31/2015 19:28:30
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:16:54


ChrisCMU 
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Don't tell me I can't put mayo on my french fries dammit!


:)
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:24:34


Master Ryiro 
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all are right

Edited 12/31/2015 19:26:59
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2015-12-31 19:29:08


ChrisCMU 
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Solution: give me admin rights on uservoice and i can combine those items for him
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2016-01-01 20:14:38


ChrisCMU 
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Was hoping Fizzer would chime in and maybe meege those ideas. oh well
Uservoice cleanup - Fizzer needed: 2016-01-01 21:07:10


master of desaster 
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i still hope on an update and some Infos about those Topics.
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