I think he was just using it as an example, Jai.

I think knyte's just pointing out that private individuals express their social ideologies more frequently than police (which is a good thing). It's also blatantly true that most anti-abortion people in the US are also pro-gun, and vice versa. Thus, your average citizen is more likely to threaten you on ideological grounds than the police, and an average gun enthusiast would be more likely to have a socially conservative ideology. A liberal would perhaps threaten you in other ways.

The Police are the one's I'd worried be about. They're the ones killing more than a thousand a year. And the militia members could already seek you out and try to kill you. Nothing has changed in their ability to.

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And the militia members could already seek you out and try to kill you. Nothing has changed in their ability to.

This. A non-sanctioned militia is just as capable of organizing and arming itself as a sanctioned one would be. If they were going to drag Knyte out of his house and murder him for being pro-choice they easily could have done it by now. (I find that example to be a bit strange by the way. I've never heard of a militia going around town and asking people what their political views on abortion are)

I find that example to be a bit strange by the way. I've never heard of a militia going around town and asking people what their political views on abortion are

This point is too narrow. I've never heard of a militia going around town and asking people what their political views on culture war issues are. Period.

It's also blatantly true that most anti-abortion people in the US are also pro-gun

Conceptually and theoretically this may be true. And you may even be right...but I don't know how much actual hard-evidence research there is on this. I also don't find the line of argument used by statists to be all that surprising - we trust state institutions (e.g. police, US military, federal government) because they are inherently created and run by the state. This misses the entire point of US political development leading up to the formation of the US constitution: extreme (and I mean Oregon ranchers seizing Federal buildings extreme) distrust, wariness, and skepticism of the merits, accountability, and altruism of any state institution. We've become completely complacent...almost ingratiating servants...to state institutions. And that is why the philosophy of a militia is so vitally important to the foundation and preservation of our country.

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Most cases involving gun deaths are self; defense. Guns prevent more deaths than otherwise, with many gun owners having neutralized a situation with the threat of gunpowder but never actually shooting.
Criminals will always find a way to get the guns.

There's really not much else to say.

TIL laws have no effect because people do illegal things anyway

Switzerland has a very good working militia system.

TIL laws have no effect because people do illegal things anyway

Please show us evidence how militias would suddenly become more dangerous if they were openly accepted by the government.

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think militias are illegal in any state. I'm sure the FBI/CIA/NSA watch them like hawks, but there's nothing explicitly criminal about forming a militia as long as you don't break any laws.

Private armies aren't legal but militias are. Oathkeepers are an example. Explicitly protected by the second amendment, but not enshrined as a part of the US defense policy in any meaningful way. Also defined a bit ambiguously (could arguably be referring to National Guard, although SCOTUS interpretation doesn't say so)

Explicitly protected by the second amendment, but not enshrined as a part of the US defense policy in any meaningful way.

How about the frickin Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers!!! Come on...do they even make kids read those anymore in our decrepit public education system?? Federalist Paper No. 29 directly deals with the need for a well-organized militia made of common citizens and a primary plank of the anti-Federalist platform was a strong protection for militias.