@salty
never said it wasn't you just made it sound like it was selling to a lot more people than I realised.

Said it once I'll say it again

Oligarchy > Barbarism

Republic > Oligarchy

There is no other ultimate philosophy regarding the state like so.

Belgium actually did some great stuff in congo.











jk

The immmolation of widows, confining them to widow-houses, ostracization etc.

Are you talking about Sati? You know women did that so they wouldn't be raped by invading Muslims right?

Also you're comparing women's rights to world wars and genocide? Sounds a bit desperate if you ask me. Every civilization and nation had shit women's rights records.

The list says "evil things", not "most evil things". And I'm not only talking about "sati".

Fyi, "sati" existed in pre-Islamic times and continued in India's colonial period. Go check your facts.

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India: Having the ugliest border in the world.

India: Having the ugliest border in the world.

Actually chalk that one up to the UK as well :)

"sati" existed in pre-Islamic times and continued in India's colonial period.

Yes it was applied when any invading force came, but gained most widespread use during the times of Islamic invasion. Go check your tone. No need to get feisty :)

Whatever. It was still repulsive.

Uh, how Jai? India and Bangladesh are tied for the ugliest border in the world:

Who broke up the borders like that though? The British as they left colonization split the Indian subcontinent into 3 countries (well initially 2 before India freed Bangladesh from Pakistani tyranny). If the British had no ceded demands made by Islamic nationalists then the actual image of India's borders would be:





Also note that recently India and Bangladesh worked out a historic land negotiation treaty that basically allowed each country to absorb ethnic enclaves that were in each other's territory: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/bangladesh-india-in-historic-land-swap-after-nearly-4-decades/story-gHXVmfal3DFnFdyfObEz1L.html

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That doesn't change the existing border :P

The worse civilization of all time, in my opinion, is India.

F***ing Gandhi and his nukes.

And those gang rapes. And that atrocious English accent.

Islam: Womens rights in general, Jew-hating and various other persecution, ISIS, other terrorists, destroyed Persia and pretty much Byzantines, massacred/absorbed indeginous groups in Africa and Middle East, monopolizatiopn of holy sites, conflict with Hindus, Buddhists, and everyone else (note: not saying West hasn't done fucked up shit, but no one had mentioned Islam yet).

That's a pretty vague criticism, General. Subsuming indigenous groups and persecuting people can be laid at the feet of every civilization.

1- Islam in itself has plenty of women's rights; it's patriarchic societies (Arabs, Indians) who twisted it.
2- Hating someone is not evil and I don't recall Muslims particularly persecuting Jews anytime in history.
3- Terrorism wasn't created by Islam. Modern-day terrorism's major cause is the USA's foreign policy in the Middle East in the past decades.
4- Islam didn't destroy Persia or Persian culture, rather Persia absorbed Islam. Islam's a religion, not a culture.
5- Persia and Byzantium had been at each other's throats for centuries. They both were tottering when Islam stepped in to fill the power vacuum.
6- Islam naturally conflicts with Hinduism (nothing evil about that), but yeah Muslims destroyed many pagan temples and idols.

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For 6: Who didn't destroy many pagan temples and idols?

SVY: And those gang rapes.

At least we let women drive and don't execute 47 people.

Not to say rape should be allowed. Indian rapists should be locked up for life...or sent to the front lines with Pakistan to be shot by terrorists.

Islam naturally conflicts with Hinduism

You guys should have stayed beyond the Hindu-Kush.

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That was a Civ 5 reference. Jeez.

But in all honesty, what if Kashmir went independent, so nobody would fight over it, and no side would get it?

Kashmir is dirt poor. It couldn't survive as its own state. In all honesty the people have a better chance at life within Indian sovereignty. India is safer and has better economic opportunities than Pakistan.