This article speaks to what Genghis was talking about: http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/19/china-democracy-theory-communist-party-politics-model/

American meritocracy is a failure. When a minority racial group succeeds (Asian-Americans) at the expense of another (African Americans), Liberals are quick to blame pure meritocratic standardized tests as inherently racially biased even when those succeeding on the test come from families on the same economic ladders. That's why affirmative action exists...to artificially raise the requirements of Asian Americans and Jews to get into colleges while lowering the standards needed to gain access to America's top public and private universities for traditionally low quality minority applicants. Data shows that an Asian American needs 400 points higher on the SAT as an African American to get into the same university. That's supposed to be democratically fair...that's supposed to be "progressive".

1.) Why do you people continue to believe Trump has no chance? He will almost certainly win the GOP nomination, and polls show him beating Hillary. He is the only Republican who can attract Dems.
2.) Why do you people think Hillary is going to win? She has more baggage than a 757 crossing the Atlantic, may be indicted for several federal offenses, loses to pretty much every Republican candidate in head-to-heads. Her trust ratings are lower than the ocean floor. Hell, Bernie has a good chance of getting the nomination. She's less insparational than a starfish.

Jai, in France we call this "discrimination positive" (the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination within a culture).

And I also dont think this is the right answer, and it is against the very principles of Meritocracy, that's why we shall condemn this.

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Koala? my arrogance? so far your defense was very light. you didt answer my charges and brushed me off using the fact that I am not European to support you. basically, you just avoided me because you didt know about the Austrian Court system thing and didt want to be put on the spot. the fact si nothing I have stated is untrue on Europe. European governments have much control over there citizens. for instance, In many European Countries its almost illegal to even own a firearm. defense is a right and it has been denied in many European countries. please stop making personal attacks and just behave normally.

could not agree more with Jai. That Graph is almost as bad as Al gore saying " I made the internet " XD. Europe is not a country and when have I ever generalized? I say most or all not entire. most European countries are very much the same government and laws wise

Data shows that an Asian American needs 400 points higher on the SAT as an African American to get into the same university

I'm calling bullshit on that.

btw i always found it weird that everytime you fill a document in the US, you have to indicate your "race". This is such an outdated concept.

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I'm calling bullshit on that.

Call bullshit all you want. Its the truth: "To top the fear, a National Study of College Experience led by Espenshade and Radford (2009) showed that a student who self-identifies as Asian will need 140 SAT points higher than whites, 320 SAT points higher than Hispanics, and 450 SAT points higher than African Americans."

http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-american/article-admission.aspx

I actually underestimated...its 450 POINTS.

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@koala

Jai, in France we call this "discrimination positive" (the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination within a culture).

And I also dont think this is the right answer, and it is against the very principles of Meritocracy, that's why we shall condemn this.

First of all, unlike in the US, you can't discriminate people because of there race, religion, or sex in France, wether it be a positive or negative discrimination (as a general rule).

What we have in France is positive discrimination based on socio-economic factors (social justice principles). We live in a social system where if you come from an educated and wealthy family, you will have a much easier time getting a good education, and therefore have a good income. And vice-versa.

On the same principle, this is why we have a progressive tax system, as opposed to a proportional tax system. We just live in a society where if you already have wealth, it is much easier for you to get more wealth. Not even close to being a meritocracy. The system is "rigged" towards the wealthy, therefore measures have to be taken to redistribute the unfair distribution of wealth, and rigg the system back to a system more fair.

It is the same thing for education:

This is delusional to think that just because you don't discriminate on who gets to enter in a college or university (quotas), then everyone gets equal chances. Its much more complicated than that. Again if you are from a wealthy family with educated parents, all intellectual capabilities being equal, you don't have the same chance to end up in a good university compared to someone coming from an uneducated and poor family. I am not saying that quotas are a good solution to achieve "equal chance" (its not imo), but some kind of positive discrimination is needed to break the vicious/virtuous circles and balance things out. And these vicious/virtuous circles are even more outlined when education isn't tuition free, like in the US.

@Jai: Thanks for the source

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I am not saying that quotas are The solution to achieve "equal chance", but some kind of positive discrimination is needed to break the vicious/virtuous circle and balance things out.

Hitchslap this begs the question: How do poor Asian-Americans in NYC manage to not only succeed in New York's poor inner city pubic schools, but do so well on meritocratic standardized tests that they make up near 70% of New York's top public high school (Stuyvesant)? Why can't poor African Americans and Latinos achieve success at the levels seen by poor Asian Americans? This is the fundamental question that has to be addressed. The real way to lift Americans out of poverty is to adopt the educational philosophy that have made Asians (and poor Jews before them) into one of the most successful minority groups in American history!! They have the highest median income, the lowest crime rates, and really their only flaw right now is their low voter participation. Quotas won't solve anything...because it does not incentivize Blacks or Hispanics to do better. Racial discrimination is never right. And right now US universities annually discriminate whole racial classes because they preform better than their peers at the same economic level.

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Conservative, to be honest it seems you are looking for confrontation every time, ok then:

Let's talk about the mass surveillance programs by the US intelligence agencies which set off an ongoing international storm of controversy over security and the ethics around the idea of your federal government acting and as you well stated earlier "controlling every aspects of a citizen's life".
This is your own statement I quoted ahah that's quite ironical actually, you are talking about this whereas you are from the very country where "Big Brother is watching you"...

Snowden the renegade and traitor of the nation for having revealed the truth knows best, some revelations here:
- The NSA, on a request from the FBI, indiscriminately collected the telephone records of millions of US Verizon customer.
- Constitutional right to privacy? You don't have one anymore.
- It was also revealed that material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a "team sport."
- the NSA is accessing the content of emails. The agency had obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants through a program called Prism, which grabbed both metadata and the content of search history, file transfers, live chats and emails.

And you were furthermore spying on supposed allied nations all the time (remember the scandals over CIA spying on Germany and France uh?), you have no shame to talk about Europe, you really should clean up your own backyard.

Also, do not mix everything, the fact that we do not hold a firearm (like in Austria) does not mean we aren't free, again this is part of your whole pro Gun, pro NRA propaganda, but this wont work here with me. Stop trying converting people to your pro gun outdated thesis please, this is getting boring.

In my honest opinion, I would rather live in Austria, where bearing a gun is strictly controlled, instead of living in a country where each of your act is spied, repertoried, analyzed, and controlled everytime, everyday, everywhere. Even North Korea did not achieved this.

And last but not least, I will repeat it: There is not ONE SYSTEM in Europe but multiple of systems, Europe is diversity, so so stop mixing everything Gosh.

In Austria you are spied on, just not by your own government.

^ Totally agree on this ahah poor Austrians.

Hitchslap this begs the question: How do poor Asian-Americans in NYC manage to not only succeed in New York's poor inner city pubic schools, but do so well on meritocratic standardized tests that they make up near 70% of New York's top public high school (Stuyvesant)? Why can't poor African Americans and Latinos achieve success at the levels seen by poor Asian Americans? This is the fundamental question that has to be addressed. The real way to lift Americans out of poverty is to adopt the educational philosophy that have made Asians (and poor Jews before them) into one of the most successful minority groups in American history!! They have the highest median income, the lowest crime rates, and really their only flaw right now is their low voter participation. Quotas won't solve anything...because it does not incentivize Blacks or Hispanics to do better. Racial discrimination is never right. And right now US universities annually discriminate whole racial classes because they preform better than their peers at the same economic level.

I largely agree with you, i think the angle of "race" is wrong in everyway. The issue here is very complex though, and i think this has a lot to do with the way societies deals with "minorities". France and the US both have fundamentally different systems from what i understand. France has bet on "integration and assimilation", while in the US the system is more based on "cohabitation" of communities (probably not the right word for it). Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, and leads to different and/or similar issues.

^ yeah as you stated, it is not similarly working in France, the whole assimilating system is in my opinion outdated, it is not longer working for the current new immigrants coming mainly from North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa, it used to work though with the Italians, Spaniards, Polish migrants, it worked so well that actually I read somewhere more than half of the French can trace their lineage to a foreign grandparent, but the thing is currently the North African wave and the difficulty to assimilate this community proved something was wrong, and reforms need to be done quickly to improve our system.

Another proof our system isnt working anymore is the gradual rise of the far right party (FN), and our dire economic situation is also not helping that's sure.

They have the highest median income, the lowest crime rates, and really their only flaw right now is their low voter participation.

not voting is a flaw? just as it is your right to vote, should it not also be your right to abstain especially considering how probably none of the candidates represent the interests of the Asian American community?

Another proof our system isnt working anymore is the gradual rise of the far right party (FN)

I have a question here. I only have moderate knowledge of French politics (a lot of online french newspapers have poor english translation for their articles unfortunately). From what I understand, at the last regional elections the socialists told everyone to vote for the conservatives so the FN could not win any seats. Its my understanding that the FN is a one-issue party...namely immigration. But I've heard that they are not actually strict capitalists...that they support socialist economic policies. If this is true, then is opposition to FN based only on their stance on immigration? I don't understand how mainstream French parties can judge FN if they have never been elected to office.

not voting is a flaw? just as it is your right to vote, should it not also be your right to abstain especially considering how probably none of the candidates represent the interests of the Asian American community?

You answered your own question. If Asian-Americans (make up about 5.5% of the population) had higher voter turnout, than politicians would actually be forced to listen to their concerns because they would make up a larger proportion of the electorate than they do now!! A lot of Asian-Americans feel disengaged from both political parties. They are traditionally capitalist (many left their socialist or communist countries in search of better opportunities) and religious (only 26% are agnostic or atheist), but they are off-put by Republican's emphasis on Christianity and its historical European ancestry. There's an opportunity for both parties to get their votes...its just they don't bother to try. In England, the Labour and Conservative parties both regularly go to Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras, and Muslim mosques...I've yet to see that happen in the States.

I support Ernie Anders...

oh wait, sorry its Bernie Sanders, because he's so full of BS.

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^Alright, that one was good, you gotta admit.

Another proof our system isnt working anymore is the gradual rise of the far right party (FN), and our dire economic situation is also not helping that's sure.

Funny people always seems to blame either a flawed voting system or a 'dumb' electorate when other parties wins or make major gains, be it the UK, US or pretty much anywhere in the world. Always a refusal to accept that they might simply have different or wrong world point of views.