Ok, but still.....I would've re-run the generator

Ox who cares about the muslims. They're dangerous and a threat to western civilization if it was up to them the west would be destroyed tomorrow. They need to be put down they're backwards savages who refuse to integrate and adapt to the modern world.

You never said you hated the Muslims sure, do you have some kind of disease close to amnesia?

the christians are fighting against the muslims as well....its not like they are brothers in arms against jews.

They used (and are still) to be brothers in arms, fighting in the same army, Christians generals and commanders led Muslim armies, and the contrary was also true, the Lebanese government was an example of tolerance, constituted half by Muslims half by Christians, they coexisted for centuries there. Christian militias were even created to fight the Israeli invasion.

The destabilization of the whole region by western powers is the main reason of the rise of extremism and hatred, if you look it up historically speaking, Muslims had tolerant societies even before Western civilizations.

What led to the situation we know currently in Palestine and other places, are mainly results of socio economical factors, not culture/religion. Hence summarize the situation with "they are Muslim, they are backwards, they are savage" is a total idiocy.

Muslims were once more tolerant (if only because they realized the jizya taxes were beneficial and better than wasting energy on persecution when the economic strain would cause most to convert. it was never out of the goodness of their heart. They wer). However, they always had the culture of miltiant jihad; Mohammed was a warlord more then preacher. And I judge Muslims by what they do today.

"What led to the situation we know currently in Palestine and other places, are mainly results of socio economical factors, not culture/religion."
That is wrong. They blow themselves up in the name of Allah, not cuz they're unemployed.

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Wow koala come down. This is why I prefer not to debate you, your rude and arrogant. It's completely true, and there's no way Palestine could live without foreign aid. Do you realize the country is basically just one city of tents with basically no resources? It's not like Wal-Mart is GONNA expand there or anything. Koala listen to me you angry little Marsupial XD I'm saying " Palestine " not the Gaza strip. So your argument is basically give them the land.....just because it sounds good? Really? That's it?. Look I support Palestinian statehood however I don't support them getting any Israeli land. How are you so blind? This has nothing to do with independence! This is an ideological struggle and any middle eastern expert will tell you these two factions will fight til one is dead

This is different from what we know. In the west, the concept of fighting a nation or group of people til they are obliterated is horrific to us but to Muslims and Jews this is the only path to take. How many times have Israel and Palestine made peace just so Palestine can kill some more innocent people within a couple weeks. It's so bad now that when Palestinian signs a ' peace agreement ' Israeli simply prepares for the next round of fighting because they know that the PLA word means less then dog crap

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So true conservative

But seriously Koala, I would prefer even if you disagree with me please refrain from personal attacks such as calling me a liar

Conservative, I don't get why again you look for confrontation, most of the thing you said I agreed on them and there are even things I never stated, I am starting to wonder if you have something against me really?

Gaza is dying without humanitarian aid, I said this earlier (if you took little attation about what I wrote really), and they cannot survive without it because they are victims of what the Jews (what a irony_) were victims 70 years earlier: Palestinians of Gaza are living in a giant concentration camp.

The thing I blame about Israel is that they blockade even foreign humanitarian aids to the Gaza strip, letting 2 million people dying of starving and misery, and you still do not see guys where the hatred/violence come from?

For a first world and so-called democratic nation, Israel is not acting in the right way. This has nothing to do with arrogance, you are the one confusing everything I said: I never said anything like Palestine should have Israeli lands, never. I was just defending the recognition of their state, that's all.

I love debating,it's like a mental game of chess but with facts but it'd only enjoyable if everyone does it cleanly, politely, and with honour

And I agree with you. What do you mean I'm looking for confrontation? XD I love you man lol Socialists and Europeans are fun to debate. I also condemn Israeli actions against Gaza but I was talking about the west bank otherwise known as Palestine by the locals

Wow koala come down. This is why I prefer not to debate you, your rude and arrogant.

This always happens when you talk about the whole Israel/Palestine situation. Nothing but over-reactive rage, usually from the pro-Palestine side but the pro-Israel side sometimes as well.

The facts of the matter are that:

1.) Palestine, or at-least a good part of it, is dominated by terrorist elements such as Hamas. Palestine will never function as a nation until Jihadists there no longer have their way.

2.) The Gaza Strip is already on the verge of collapse:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/gaza-becoming-uninhabitable-as-society-can-no-longer-support-itself-report

There might be hope for the West Bank, as the terrorist influence there is much lower and that area is populated by more moderate Muslims. However, "Palestine" as we currently think of it will not work without some major changes.

"Palestinians of Gaza are living in a giant concentration camp."
No, they are not. Did people in concentration camps get money and then use it to build tunnels so they could blow up civilians? Did people in concentratin camps launch rocket attacks on Berlin? Did people in concentration camps have an extremist militia running the camps? Did people in concentration camps have relative automomy? You might be able to get away with ghettoes, but saying Gaza ia a concentration camp is pure emotional fantasy.

" did people in concentration camps get money and then use it to build tunnels so they could blow up civilians? "

XD best quote of this entire conversation lol

Btw 674 does not represent my views at all

thx conservative. I try

Edit: Same for me conservative. Muslims are ok, even if Islam is dangerous to the west. And racism is never acceptable

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Muslims were once more tolerant (if only because they realized the jizya taxes were beneficial and better than wasting energy on persecution when the economic strain would cause most to convert. it was never out of the goodness of their heart. They wer). However, they always had the culture of miltiant jihad; Mohammed was a warlord more then preacher. And I judge Muslims by what they do today.

Many Muslims societies are tolerant nowadays, not only in the past. And really, give me one Western/European Christian nation during the Middle Age having this degree of tolerance that existed in the Muslim world? I bet you would find none, or few having mere tolerant policies towards Jews or Muslims. Actually the only ancient nation that could have been an example of tolerance would be Ethiopia, but it is not even a Western World civilization... Byzantium was also tolerant towards Muslims, depending on the period.

"What led to the situation we know currently in Palestine and other places, are mainly results of socio economical factors, not culture/religion."
That is wrong. They blow themselves up in the name of Allah, not cuz they're unemployed.

If you analyzed the situation you would know that thes epeople that blow up themselves in the name of Allah, are desperate people most of the time or people having traumas.

I know. I wasn't referring to your hatred of Muslims, but your other posts detailing your hatred of blacks, etc. I understand your distaste of Muslims, but must say that while Islam is a cancer on Western civilization, some individual Muslims are ok. My disagreements with you are mostly on other subjects.

"Many Muslims societies are tolerant nowadays, not only in the past. And really, give me one Western/European Christian nation during the Middle Age having this degree of tolerance that existed in the Muslim world? I bet you would find none, or few having mere tolerant policies towards Jews or Muslims. Actually the only ancient nation that could have been an example of tolerance would be Ethiopia, but it is not even a Western World civilization... Byzantium was also tolerant towards Muslims, depending on the period."
Jesus fucking Christ. I AGREED WITH YOU MUSLIMS WERE MORE TOLERANT IN THE PAST!!! I just stated the reasons for that tolerance. Also, most Christian intolerance came about because they thought they were saving the souls of the misguided (not saying it was ok). Secondly, name one specific example of a Muslim nation being more tolerant than any European nation or America.

Also Koala, we see well-to-do Westerners in Britian going off to join ISIS. Do you honestly think that if they wanted a better life and economic status they would go to IRAQ!?

My opinion is Islam is not a dangerous religion in general, however many passages of the Quran make me wince