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Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 19:48:21


Azraelkali53
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As a sociopath I just don't care about wealth inequality. Most people are poor due to their own apathy. If they don't care enough to lift themselves out of poverty why should I?

Edited 1/24/2016 19:49:24
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:10:34

[wolf]japan77
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Actually, with today's minimum wage, which is a working wage for some persons, they can work 80 hours a week, and still fall beneath poverty for a family of 4, so no. There are people out there working their A**es off, and can't get out of poverty due to a lack of a wage. And they lack the funds to improve their skills via schooling, as it doesn't pay well enough, and school costs are F***ing insane.

Also, you should care about wealth inequality, when looking at post-industrial nations, you have an pretty clear correlation between wealth inequality and crime rate.

Edited 1/24/2016 20:12:11
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:16:16


Benjamin628 
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Rich people have too much money.

Poor people don't work hard enough and complain too much.

Edited 1/24/2016 20:16:33
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:19:49


Azraelkali53
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idc about wealth inequality. People can easily get out of poverty if they're intelligent enough. If they resort to crime then thats just more money for the prison system. People are paid what their positions are worth and thats just the way it is. Don't like it? Get a better job.

Edited 1/24/2016 20:23:02
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:28:59

[wolf]japan77
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You do realize that now we're just arguing economic theory right, It's keynes v Classical

My Issue with your statement, is that people cannot obtain the necessary items due to class-based discrimination thanks to the high costs of a university education. There are smart people stuck in poverty.

Second, when did I imply that the person was/had committed a crime. I'm arguing that some a** who got lucky like the current generation of the walton family shouldn't be able to just live off stocks while an intelligent hard working person is stuck in poverty due to their family not being able to pay for his/hers college education. That is why free college is actually a good thing, we reduce the lengths of these sh***y generations that descend from wealthy families due to higher taxes on the wealthy, while providing people in poverty a chance.

Edited 1/24/2016 20:30:12
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:41:50


Azraelkali53
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No free college just puts a burden on people who have non stake in the future of random people they may never meet. Also you don't have to go to college to make use of your intellect. '' I'm arguing that some a** who got lucky like the current generation of the walton family shouldn't be able to just live off stocks '' sounds like jealousy to me. Why shouldn't they? Because its unfair? Well tough shit life isn't fair.

Edited 1/24/2016 20:45:40
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:44:26

[wolf]japan77
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Well, this has become pointless, I'm out, I'm not spend more anymore hours arguing against an entrenched classical economics believer who's probably been through some school like U of Chicago or just listens to Fox news, without actually thinking about economic theory.
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:46:22


Azraelkali53
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Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 20:59:41


GeneralPE
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I figure if your a fit male (or female) in you 20's or 30's, just join the Army. When I see capable young men in ghettos and stuff saying they have no options, I have little sympathy.
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:03:31


Azraelkali53
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+1 General
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:09:15


chuck norris
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"Money is not finite. That's why we (as in the entire world) have more wealth today than we did 500 years ago."
your the one who doesnt understand economics, yes we have more money and that is because there is a slight inflation rate almost everywhere but the rich gain more money than that inflation rate makes. lets put it this way, a rich person makes 100 dollars, 20 dollars comes from inflation, the other 80 comes from other people, for all intents and purposes money is finite, what your implying is that we print money whenever we need it but that leads to runaway inflation. The rich gain property and bonds and stocks, but from the stocks they gain money and property they use to gain money or sell the property for money so they are getting money as well

Edited 1/24/2016 21:20:47
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:13:52


Azraelkali53
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Anyone can get money from stocks and bonds. Money is infinite its resources that are finite. Read a book. Also the 80 dollars came from other people in what way?

Edited 1/24/2016 21:17:35
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:18:11


chuck norris
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Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:20:06


chuck norris
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"As a sociopath I just don't care about wealth inequality. Most people are poor due to their own apathy. If they don't care enough to lift themselves out of poverty why should I?"
the thing is that many of the rich arent there cause they worked hard but because their parents or grandarents worked hard and you think poor people want to be poor? no. they try to gain money but they can't
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:20:45


GeneralPE
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Look, I'm not enough of an economist to explain it fully, but zero-sum is absolute idiocy. Seriously, read/watch any economist.
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:22:21


Azraelkali53
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So what if people are wealthy because of their ancestors? I never said they wanted to be poor I said if they don't care enough to work hard enough to become wealthy or at least not impoverished why should I. Well they should try harder. Or try something different.

Edited 1/24/2016 21:22:41
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:24:19


chuck norris
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and you have to agree that it is not fair that children (or grandchildren(cant remember which one it is )) of the founder of walmart have 140 million dollars between them when they have done nothing their whole life except for inherit their parents money and that the top 1% of people have 40% of the wealth in the USA and the bottom 80% control 7% of the wealth
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:25:21


Azraelkali53
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so what if its unfair? Life isnt a game it isn't fair. Go cry to some politicians about how unfair it is I'm sure some of the communist ones will cry with you all day.
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:27:39


chuck norris
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im not saying life isnt fair but i think it would be better to redistribute wealth a little, so that the poor arent dying of starvation and the rich ddont have more money than they could use in 5 lifetimes
Socialism Vs Capitalism?: 2016-01-24 21:30:19


Azraelkali53
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wealth redistribution is morally wrong and has a history of failure. If you want to end poverty you must create more wealth. To do so you must use more resources and have more work available.

Edited 1/24/2016 21:32:04
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