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Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 14:49:36


Min34 
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I understand that Fizz wants to make the game more appealing to new players. But do that in the open game section. The ladders are meant as a test of skill, settings are allowed to be different than they are in the open games. A player who joins the ladder is not a newbie anymore, it doesn`t need to be made easier for ladderplayers.

I don`t know if the transfer/attack only is an accident or accually left out because of that reason, but it should obviously be added to the template.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 15:00:57


Sephiroth
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What i don't understand is HOW removing Transfer only and attack only will make the game more appealing to new players. New players don't even know those features exist! And as i said already they're never forced to use them
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 15:35:24


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I'm just real tired of that excuse. SO WHAT if noobs won't use a setting? That is not a reason to make a template worse by not using it. If you want to make the open auto games more noob friendly, fine. But don't dumb down the ladders. Noobs cannot even play the ladders right away unless they buy a membership.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 15:46:00


The Hound
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i will only join the ladder if the settings keeps the same!!! its fair.stop whining about the settings,just dont join if u dislike the template!
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 15:51:15


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just because it's for all the same doesn't mean it has to be a lower skill Level required. newbies a) will not join ladders or b) get matched up with other newbies who don't use the Setting eighter or c) actually learn how to use it and improve.

it's fair cause it's for all the same. but for most it's less fun. maybe fizzer wants to kill some more commanders by not including Transfer only?
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 16:47:09


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Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 17:55:08


ChrisCMU 
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@MOD - Well, IF he wants transfer only off so that commanders are more at risk (faster games, might be factor on seasonal ladder)...that is a legit reason.

If he wants it off to be 'less complicated' then that is bogus to me.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 18:48:10


Krzysztof 
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btw, what's the reason behind forcing you to disable 'one army must guard' setting when using commander. Has fizzer said anything about it during last 'Ask Fizzer anything' ?
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:02:47


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yes, he explained in the last live stream. something to do with if you had 1 army there and commander, and they killed 1 army with their attack (say poked with a 2), then the commander would die before the 1 normal army (if you did not have that setting).

So basically it ensures that commanders die last, which is what you want.

Edited 2/9/2016 19:03:22
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:02:47


TeamGuns
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@Krzychu Yea, I don't see why this is a setting needed to have commanders...
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:03:38


TeamGuns
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Maybe it could work like bombs where a province can have 0 units but not be conquered...
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:09:11


Scotty 
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Congrats MoD!
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:20:56


GiantFrog 
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I wont play seasonal anyway, but i fear transfer only/attc only will be removed at all if we dont act now. Once Fizzer has things on his roadmap he cant be stopped anyway.

1. Its really not that complicated, the name pretty much says its function. If there actually is some human being in this world that just doesnt manage to understand the mechanics behind transfer only/attc only he probably will have to live with the fact that he s not going to be the next #1 warlight player.

2. The importance of these options is way to high.
I really dont want to be offensive in anyway, but the last time i saw Fizzer play i got a feeling of why he would even consider removing these options - he didnt seem to be the strongest of warlight players, and probably isnt the best judge when it comes to questions like this. He should communicate with more experienced players when considering steps like these.

3. As i have a feeling Fizzer dislikes Attc only even more than Transfer only, please consider the only counter-argument that seems to exist is that people need to understand those feature. But once you understand transfer only, you also understand attc only. Removing just one of them doesnt make things easier to understand, it just looks like something is missing.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:27:57


ChrisCMU 
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^I agree. He removed it from EU ladder, now this season. He stated in live stream he doesn't want them because they are not used often and noobs won't know how to use them. I am VERY worried at the trend that is appearing (of dumbing down the site for noobs). Fizzer is taking away a lot of strategic play with getting rid of these advanced attacks.

I have already had a EU ladder game where we could have used those features and cannot. And we've only played 4 games on it.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:35:20


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I feel very dissapointed about this template,

1. You can't practice the template if you are a free player, Hence the marketing ploy to make players take up the membership to gain access to commanders.

2. The commander seems too ugly to fit in the typical "auto game" template I wish there was a bit more innovation. This seems to be a easy thought idea.

3. No demand, Unlike the French Brawl template there was nice positive feedback on that (It won a template completion) so in some ways it is community friendly, Commanders are not! Hardly anyone made a big speech about how great commanders are, Though it sneaks to seasonal ladder, Why? Why did a randomly easily thought template as picked ahead of many others? There was no demand so it poses the question why?

In conclusion, Why was this template picked ahead of the others and what would be the overall effect on Warlight? And will Members having an advantage of practicing the template more than free members due to membership features will have an effect on seasonal ladder and attack in some ways the fairness in that respect.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:36:43


ChrisCMU 
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He always wants to showcase a new feature. No surprise commanders would be used. Whether this is the best showcase of them...I don't know. I have not played with the setting yet.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 19:40:53


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Showcase

Yes I agree, Rightfully and proudly so if you would like to add. Though specifically in what way?

* To encourage solid players to innovate what seems to be a bland template

* Free Sample? Give a taste of commanders and hope it becomes more involved in future games and tournaments?

* New players? I really don't agree with that point of view and think it is just stuff you would find in a fantasy novel.
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 20:13:54


master of desaster 
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everyone gets a free 30 day Trial membership to try out this Feature. it was obvious that this season would be commander Settings. to answer your question about why this template platinum: it's used on the Auto coin games
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 20:53:52


ChrisCMU 
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why is commander setting not a highlightable setting on your profile (drastically changes games)?

Edited 2/9/2016 20:55:11
Season XXIII Announcement: 2016-02-09 23:25:15

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Congrats master of desaster.

Ladders, the seasonal ladder, for instance, are meant to be strategic. Attack and Transfer only are very strategic. The difference between a 1v1 ladder player ranked about 200 and 180 is simply by using transfer only, as it prevents running into game-changing walls.

Attack and Transfer only are hidden in "advanced" (when sending an attack/transfer order) anyway. Newcomers generally don't look in "advanced", so why is it an issue that they have not seen/used this setting before? Furthermore, newcomers are unable to compete in ladders (unless they've bought a membership). The more times you use a setting (like attack/transfer only), your understanding of the setting increases, so the player knows what the setting does (in this case how if you try to transfer to a territory that doesn't belong to you, the transfer won't happen; vice versa with attack only).

Because there are commanders, you could be eliminated because of NOT being able to use transfer only. This means that 'worse' players could be ranked higher than some 'better' players, so the results of this season will be very inconsistent.

Due to commanders not being with attack/transfer only, this season seems to be flawed. I'll see how this season goes and then see I want to carry on with it. I'm expecting to see death by commander, from no transfer only orders.

Edit: organisation.

Edited 2/9/2016 23:59:58
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