basically:
A: apex, Masters, Turtles, GG, WG, Frech, Lynx
B: Blitz, 101st, ONE, Warlighters, VIW, REGL, SNinja
C: Hydra, VS, BIA, Lu FreDD, Yin Yang, Stahl, LEA
D: M'H, CORP, TLW, FBG, Olympus, General Chou
E: HAWKS, NL, Poon, rp, Acme, TJC, XS
F: whoever sends roster first lol

I cant access the google sheet from my phone but as far as can tell now Ackbar's list is correct. With F being the newbiegroup

It's sad to see a vocal minority overeating. We are lucky to have such a well organised event with so many people giving up their time so we can play.

Be aware there is a strong negative correlation between the amount of complaints made and the amount of time organisers are prepared to invest.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if those few negative voices helped make overworked organisers spend less time on this project, which is probably a contributing factor for the reason why these minor problems with miscommunication aren't being discovered as quickly as they otherwise might.

Personally I'm glad they are taking a more common sense approach and being flexible when human error occurs instead of rigidly obeying a set of rules that gives an unfair result.

Well said Holdway.

@Sultan: I talk about democraty for template choices. Everyone could have sent a template to votes, and everyone in A could have voted. ;) So I don't know why some players in A are complaining. Maybe template should not been voted.

People are seeing problems where there is not.

I don't like Phaeril using the word Democracy, Democracy is a group of individuals voted to be put in power in a free election system... When Group A hasn't been voted on preference but Skill.. 7 clans represent the 40 clans... Also Did you really think Clan A clans took any consideration of other clans in lower divisions? I'm sure clans strategically voted to give templates that aren't generally liked.. I believe certain Clan League A division clans voted the templates strategically considering there competition so I really dislike the current voting system and i think if people are as unhappy as it seems about the templates than it's a failure of the voting system to simply feed the tactical voting in division A.

1v1 Templates
Strat ME 0% SR http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=422053
Guiroma 4x5 0SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=854965
Greece 5x5 %0 SR http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=388092
Battle Islands V 3x4 %0 SR http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=526636
French Brawl 6x3 %0 SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=761923
Treasure Map 4x4 %0 SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=514267

2v2 Templates
Final Earth 3x4 %0 WR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=805118
China 4x4 %0 SR http://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=524046
Strat ME %0 SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=723019

3v3 Templates
EU 4x4 %0 SR http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=526653
Great Lakes 3x4 0% SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=669014


Why is ME as a map being used twice? I thought this wasn't allowed? If I'm correct than a 3rd template list needs to be published.

A map can be used twice if its for different formats, so 1v1 and 2v2 (I'm pretty sure Chris said it a few pages back).

And yeah we might have a few weird templates this time like Final Earth (the weird ones might turn out good too), but they would probably be even worse if they let every division vote.

I think allowing Division B to vote on templates might have a positive or negative effect. Maybe there would be more strategic voting meaning even more weird templates.. But I would like to think templates for the overall league would be a little bit more "not weird" and not ruining the competition as Timinator suggests.

Can people stop complaining about the templates already? They have been chosen. Let's move on. I'm not happy with a few results, but no vote is going to make everyone happy.

If you hate it that much there's a simple solution - don't play in Clan League. Otherwise just play the games that you will have.

I agree with with Semice, this is fucking ridiculous. Voting system is stupid.

We never said we were happy with the way it went down. But when you use a new setup there will always be things you didn't think of up front. We had no plan ready in case of a tie between templates. The new way of voting should probably have been explained better (or easier for non-native english speakers). But this is feedback what we will use for next clan league so we don't run into the same problem again.

As for the results of the votes. It sucks that it has changed multiple times due to errors but in the end it is what people have voted on most and what should be played. That some templates are not your cup of tea is probably good. Clan league should use new templates instead of over and over the same templates again. What are we playing for? Which clan is the best right? So is the best clan the one who can master a certain template best or is the best clan who can adapt best to new situations? Up for discussion but i know what i would prefer.

As for people voting strategic on templates because they have more chance on it. Why not? Doesn't every clan do that? You can consider strat 1vs1 0WR more strategic then 0SR but it just requires a different kind of skill. Some people like to play with risk calculation while other love it to count everything out during a game. So thats where we have the votes for to see what is on average mostly wanted.

As for voting in the lower tiers. It has been tradition that the clans in A vote on the templates for the season. You could say B should vote as well, but if we do so next season clans from C will complain. If B can vote then we should also be allowed to vote. So where are you going to stop? Do we really want clans like darklords and wacos to vote on templates?

Its true that different tiers like different templates. I understand the lower tiers would love full distribution RoR because that is what they play a lot while the top tier clans get nightmares from it.

Maybe what could be an idea, but what will also increase the amount of work for the organizers a LOT, would be to have each division vote on their own templates every season. When you go a division up or down you will meet new clans with different preferences which will test a clan in a new way every tier.

Edited 5/11/2016 14:11:04

Well it's messed up every clan tries to vote out things their competitors are good at, so I think it would be better to let the B and/or C division to vote too and make their votes worth a bit less than in that order

Edited 5/11/2016 14:16:05

NWO is competing for CL so could you pls give us the updated clans who are competing of our division.

Edited 5/11/2016 14:19:03

I think it may be a good idea to create a thread just so people can bitch and vent about the templates over there rather then here. It'll be like screaming in a pillow, people need to get it out of their system.

Serenity now! SERENITY NOW!

@Mirage: Maybe, maybe not. But in all the cases it's not a bad thing to have some changes. All clans will have to adapt. Some templates will require ability to go outside of comfort zones. Not so bad to evaluate the best finally.

@Platinum: I confess the term democraty were misused. It's like a "great elector" system since only A vote, but this is it for them. So a member of A should not complain. Anyway, anyone should focus on lineups now. Templates has been decided. Time to try hard. ;)

I understand the lower tiers would love full distribution RoR because that is what they play a lot while the top tier clans get nightmares from it.

Firstly, I disagree with this. In Division D, E, and F I bet few would pick Full dist RoR over 3v3 ladder. Even if it is true, so what? The exact same could be said, but in reverse.

I understand the higher tiers would love 3v3 Europe because that is what they play a lot while the lower tier clans get nightmares from it.

Of course I agree 3v3 Europe >>> 3v3 RoR Full-dist, I'm just playing devil's advocate :)

You all should just join RPCL we are soooooooo much better and more organized mmmmmmmmm kazzzzooooooo

OxTheAutist why don't you make a RoR vs EU forum post and let the drama unfold although I personally like RoR full distro more than EU :P

And Buns the template wouldn't get weirder but better Imao if they let more divisions vote preferably B and C too, then it won't be a contest between only higher division clans but also the lower divisions fairly.

Edited 5/11/2016 18:26:23

Firstly, I disagree with this. In Division D, E, and F I bet few would pick Full dist RoR over 3v3 ladder. Even if it is true, so what? The exact same could be said, but in reverse.

I completely agree with OxTheAutist.

Clan league should use new templates instead of over and over the same templates again. What are we playing for? Which clan is the best right? So is the best clan the one who can master a certain template best or is the best clan who can adapt best to new situations? Up for discussion but i know what i would prefer.

You seem to be leaning towards new and diverse templates(correct me if I'm wrong). Yet you then go on to say

As for people voting strategic on templates because they have more chance on it. Why not? Doesn't every clan do that? You can consider strat 1vs1 0WR more strategic then 0SR but it just requires a different kind of skill. Some people like to play with risk calculation while other love it to count everything out during a game. So thats where we have the votes for to see what is on average mostly wanted.

Seems a bit contradictory to me. There's no way we get new and diverse templates if people stick to what they are comfortable with. I'm not calling anyone out for voting based on what they are comfortable with(it is the natural thing to do). I just think the system needs to be looked at.

Edited 5/11/2016 18:38:55

NWO will be participating in the clan league.