I support Basque independence over Scottish and Catalonian because Athletic Bilbao means they would have an OP football team.

Aaaargh, Scots are great at fitba too, mate!

not really, but... :)

Even Navarre, the most conservative and pro Spanish Region (they never wanted as for now to join the Basque Community of Euskadi) has finally fallen to the Basque parties during the 2015 elections, the region and the capital (Pamplona) are now led by the Abertzales (Basquist politicians).

Yeah we have 3 great football teams: Athletic Bilbao (Bilbao), Osasuna (Pamplona) and Real Sociedad (San Sebastian).

@ General PE
Urrmmm Barcelona are situated in Catalonia.

Yes, but Barcelona imports players - Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, Bravo, etc. Bilbao only recruits Basques, meaning they could all play for the Basque national team.

yes general, and we do have a national team, Euskal Selekzioa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_national_football_team

The Basque team used to have Xabi Alonso, Bixente Lizarazu and even Didier Deschamps, all of them are World Champions sadly with the Colonial Powers of France and Spain :(

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Anyway, I'm surprised an American guy is interested in European football.

Lessons from Spain?

1) Taught the world how to remove kebab, then...
2) ...Taught the world how to remove inti.
3) And then taught the world how to screw over the Portuguese.

Taught Brazil how to play Soccer.

^ Cata stop alting and get a life .o

^
What alt are you talking about?

The Basques taught the Spaniards how to play football (this is actually the truth since the first Spanish team was composed only by Basque players).

Oh shut the * up! Spain isn't going away. They're really poor, and they make SEAT and GTA cars. Not like most of Africa poor tho. They have a reasonable large GDP feeding a reasonably large amount of people recieving an unreasonable amount of money.

poor... *facepalm*

Depends actually where you are in Spain, North Spain is pretty rich, actually richer than most of the rest of Europe. Ironically the wealthiest regions in Spain are from first to third: Euskadi, Navarre and Catalonia, 3 regions that will secede from poor Spain pretty soon.

My family is European, and I play soccer. I follow most of the leagues.

Oh, seriously? Is that Angry man spreading his propaganda again? Deal with it, even non Spaniards can tell you how we are fine.

We invented helicopters and submarines also, apart from the previously said ones.

And another thing: Koala, I know you are a proud leftist. So, why are you that racist against us? Admit it. You are a closed mind Basque nationalist, whose arguments are hate against a "common enemy" who is also worse than your "nation". I have heard that ideology many times before, in Nazi Germany, or Francoist Spain. You use far-right arguments, yet you either don't realise, or don't even care.

Independentism in BOTH CATALONIA and EUSKADI is not as big as you think. Brainwashing regional governments have made a huge damage, but still, pro-Spain are a majority in BOTH of them. Ha, ha, ha. You think everyone thinks like you, everyone wants to secede from the old, poor, oppressive Spain. One day you might open your eyes, and see how different is the world.

And meanwhile, I am going to say some facts: PNV, main Basque party, is not separatist. Navarre, even though governed by a nationalist coalition, is not even Basque. They don't want to be Basque. They have an older, own history, than the other Basque provinces. And the last one: DURING THE CENTRALIST, OPPRESIVE, FRANCOIST RÉGIME, CATALAN KIDS HAD FIVE WEEKLY HOURS OF EDUCATION IN CATALAN LANGUAGE. NOWADAYS, CATALAN KIDS HAVE JUST TWO WEEKLY HOURS OF EDUCATION IN CASTILIAN LANGUAGE. In other words, Catalan speaking families had more rights during the dictatorship than Spanish speaking families nowadays. Just another proof of how totalitarian are Catalan Nationalist parties. They send propaganda by their regional (supposedly neutral) TV, they brainwash the kids since they are really young, they manipulate their history so they make their people believe they are oppressed, etc. Nationalism is what it is. And, luckily, most people in the EU already know.

Union makes strength. Down with borders. Down with hate.

And, by the way, FC Barcelona is one of our better products ;) Visca Barça!

(I needed to relax myself after that walltext, lol)

Untruths:

*Olives (obviously, only God invented Olives, but they were first cultivated in Iran)
*Second biggest empire ever (no, the 1922 British Empire was 1st, followed closely by 1279 Mongol empire in 2nd (some say Mongol Empire was the biggest, it's disputed), followed by 1866 Russian Empire in 3rd, and then 1801 Spanish Empire in 4th)
*Spain is important than France (France has about 33% more population, a bigger country, a nuclear country, and still has loads of (mostly small) overseas settlements. In my opinion, France is 10th most powerful country (3rd in EU)
*Spain invented the Molotov. While Molotov can mean many different things, the thing that most comes to mind (besides Vyacheslav Molotov, a person), is the Molotov cluster bomb, which is undeniably Russian.
*Spain taught the world how to remove kebab (Turkey was never in Spain).
*Spain invented the helicopter (helicopters that could not carry folk were first made in China; helicopters that carried folk were first made in France)
*Spain invented the submarine (British)

And comments:
*"Mongols weren't really an empire, just organised pirates taking whatever they could." Almost all empires are built this way, certainly the British empire.
*"Union makes strength". Strength makes oppression.