Both Washington and Oregon are pretty far down on the lit as far as state GDP's go; 14 and 25 respectively. In fact, the only really rich state on the pacific (or the western US in general) is california.

I would probably split any of the 13 states besides oregon or washington to be honest. I don't really see any reason to skip past all those richer states just for the hell of it.

make the US back to its original state, its far more flexible for scenarios

You would do it for consistency. Washington has about 450 billion dollars of GDP, while Scotland has about 280 billion. Scotland has three times more territories. Any reason for this other than the anti-US bias?

And BUFFALO is very correct. You can do so much more with more US territories. Works great for early colonialism and civil war, and alternate history where US states become their own countries.

USA is great as it is right now, the old one was unnecessary. It's not like any major change in american territory was exclusively a small portion of one of the small shitty states in it's center-west region.

Any reason for this other than the anti-US bias?

Sounds like someone's just salty that the USA got a nerf, honestly. I think the one biased person here is you.

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Nitr01 Scotland has only 1 territory, what extra chromosomes did you get?

No ox, I made it three territories. Make sure you're looking at the latest version of the map:

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=53711

You would do it for consistency. Washington has about 450 billion dollars of GDP, while Scotland has about 280 billion. Scotland has three times more territories. Any reason for this other than the anti-US bias?

There is a certain amount of anti-US bias, but it's not on my part. I love my country, it's just due to outside pressure that I've changed it so drastically.

You can't really compare individual US states to other countries, but instead whole countries to other ones. The UK needs the extra boost in income since it isn't properly represented due to it's relatively small size. The US doesn't really have that problem; It is the third largest country in the world.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:21:07

It is the third largest country in the world.

Fourth*.

Oh, that's brilliant! America smaller and Scotland bigger? I'm all for that. ^^

EDIT: And yeah. Zeph is right. China is the third largest country in the world.

Size: Russia, Canada, China, America, Brazil
Population: China, India, America, Indonesia, Brazil
Economy: China, America, Japan, Germany, France
Strength: China, America, India, Russia, Brazil

These are objective facts. Some disagree, but they are just patriotic fools.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:26:02

Fourth*.

No screw you china isn't bigger than the US :P

Edited 3/19/2016 22:24:56

Well if you want to be bigger than China then you'll have to "peacefully integrate" your northern buddy that stands in third place.

Economy: China
Strength: China

Nope Ox, now you're pushing it ;p

Edited 3/19/2016 22:27:47

^ That, I disagree with. In size, Canada > China.

EDIT: And no. China is the strongest country in the world, and richest, economy wise. But, America does beat China in standard of living ^^

Edited 3/19/2016 22:28:40

Size: Russia, Canada, China, America, Brazil

China is only bigger if you don't include the US territorial waters. Our territorial waters are obviously much better than chinas, so they should be included.

Population: China, India, America, Indonesia, Brazil

Who cares about population?

Economy: China, America, Japan, Germany, France

Chinas economy is only bigger in one measure: PPP GDP. In nominal, the US crushes china, about 18 trillion to 10 trillion.

Strength: China, America, India, Russia, Brazil

Everyone is weak except for US, so your argument is invalid.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:32:31

Are you drunk? America's GDP is roughly 170% of China's.

China is only bigger if you don't include the US territorial waters. our territorial waters are obviously much better than chinas, so they should be included.

Territorial waters don't count. Can you live in territorial waters? Good luck setting up your house there. If territorial waters count than you probably own the UK one nice blowjob.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:33:53

Territorial waters don't count. Can you live in territorial waters?

In america you totally can.

The UK's territorial waters are also not as good as ours, so they don't count either.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:35:58

Yeah, right.

The power rangers want their Aquabase back.

Yeah well they can't have it. They're being held in custody under the patriot act.

You know, cause they're terrorists.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:38:47

Nitr01 Scotland has only 1 territory, what extra chromosomes did you get?

Now that you've seen the map I bet you aren't feeling so smug anymore. Do you have a diagnosis you wanna talk about?

But I digress.

This map is subjective and biased, it trades the undisputed truth, a perfect measurement for strength - GDP - for balance. A game creator can balance a map how they'd like, so it's great to start with a realistic map and allow game creators to work from there.

Furthermore, you can keep the balance of the map and add more territories in the US. By your own definition the map is not consistent because the US lacks the territory density of other countries.

You can live in territorial waters.

The USA is bigger than China.

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

This map is subjective and biased, it trades the undisputed truth, a perfect measurement for strength - GDP - for balance. A game creator can balance a map how they'd like, so it's great to start with a realistic map and allow game creators to work from there.

Furthermore, you can keep the balance of the map and add more territories in the US. By your own definition the map is not consistent because the US lacks the territory density of other countries.

There are a lot of cases in which a map creator is required to sacrifice accuracy for better gameplay. One of these is having to join circles to really small territories. Another is Not having drastically uneven territory sizes. Another is, not having totally imbalanced bonus values.

In truth it wasn't realistic before either. The US is powerful on a scale that can't really be compared to other countries, and it's just not really possible to fairly represent that in a warlight map. The closest comparisons are the European Union, a union of 28 countries, or the Soviet Union, a union of 15 countries.

Edited 3/19/2016 22:46:29

The USA was broken.

No reason to have smaller territories if no significant territorial changes with those fractions of states were made.

For example...

Reasons to split Poland:
*HRE
*WW1 and WW2
*Commonwealth
*Partitions
*Second Polish Republic
*Duchy of Silesia
*Hapsburg Empire

Reasons to split the UK:
*Income disparity to other much weaker nations due to size
*Norman invasion
*Viking invasion
*Clump up a region with high population and GDP

Reasons to split American States:
*Pleasing Nitr01