GOP foundings: majority support Trump, last I checked (60% or so votes on the eliminary elections went to him).

No no no, GOP establishment is a much smaller group. It means party functionaries, party donors and special interests. What you are talking about is grassroots, which indeed support Trump enthusiastically.

Often I get the impression you are deliberately misunderstanding me. Either that or a language barrier.

I don't know about journalists, but I'm suspecting you're just fully making this up, all this supposed anti-Trump bias.

There are numerous studies that prove progressive, leftist bias among journalists. Even if you argue that Trump is not as right as Cruz, he is still far from Hillary and Bernie, who the journalists support.

And progressive authoritarians? There really aren't, it's almost an oxymoron.

Calling fascists, nazis, or communists anything but progressive authoritarians is an oxymoron.

Communists are anti-authoritarians. And no, the USSR was not communist, it was Socialist.

No no no, GOP establishment is a much smaller group. It means party functionaries, party donors and special interests.

Well, it'd be statistically unlikely then that the majority would support Trump, thinking about his voter demography (old, untaught, politically somewhat inactive folk) and that there are 2 other candidates.

There are numerous studies that prove progressive, leftist bias among journalists.

Show.

Even if you argue that Trump is not as right as Cruz, he is still far from Hillary and Bernie, who the journalists support.

Y'know, I always here Republicans complaining about the daemonic "liberal" media. But think of it as a tradeoff between having the Republican absolute majority in both national gatherings. You always hear Democrats yapping about the Republican dictatorship and gerrymandering in the two houses, but Republicans yap about how the Democrats have the media.

Calling fascists, nazis, or communists anything but progressive authoritarians is an oxymoron.

Do you know what a progressivist is? Progressivists are middle-left. Fascists and National Socialist extend from authoritarian middle to authoritarian far-right. Practic communism is authoritarian far-left, while anarchic, "true" communism (Marxism) is anarchic far-left. And for that matter, do you know what an oxymoron is? Calling National Socialism a German politic scheme of the past is not an oxymoron.

Draw from the democrats? Yeah you're mentally disabled if you think Sanders supporters or Clinton supporters would support Trump.

He is the only one who is doing it. Polls and my personal experience show it. Cruz is a good guy, but no Dem is going to vote for him. Many will vote Trump

Communists are anti-authoritarians.

In your utopia maybe, not in the real world.

Well, it'd be statistically unlikely then that the majority would support Trump, thinking about his voter demography (old, untaught, politically somewhat inactive folk) and that there are 2 other candidates.

You just said 60% of them support Trump, now you flip-flop. Why?

Show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Liberal_bias
"They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey found that the large majority of journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including issues such as abortion, affirmative action, social services and gay rights. The authors compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s and concluded firstly that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes and education, and secondly that the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms pushed news coverage in a liberal direction."

Y'know, I always here Republicans complaining about the daemonic "liberal" media. But think of it as a tradeoff between having the Republican absolute majority in both national gatherings. You always hear Democrats yapping about the Republican dictatorship and gerrymandering in the two houses, but Republicans yap about how the Democrats have the media.

So the more you complain, the more right you are?

Do you know what a progressivist is? Progressivists are middle-left.

Progressive means changing the system into something new instead of preserving it or changing it backwards. It has nothing to do with rightist or leftist leanings.

while anarchic, "true" communism (Marxism) is anarchic far-left

Fine, I will admit that certain brands of utopian communism, the kind of communism that can only exist in people's imagination, is anarchist and thus anti-authoritarian. Marxist communism, though, is dictatorship of the proletariat and thus authoritarian communism.

You just said 60% of them support Trump, now you flip-flop. Why?

If anything, you flip-flopped, when you meant such a specific thing by such a broad phrase (GOP establishment). I am now talking about your meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Liberal_bias

On the same page: "According to former Fox News producer Charlie Reina, unlike the AP, CBS, or ABC, Fox News's editorial policy is set from the top down in the form of a daily memo: "[F]requently, Reina says, it also contains hints, suggestions and directives on how to slant the day's news—invariably, he says, in a way that's consistent with the politics and desires of the Bush administration."

"A 1998 study from FAIR found that journalists are "mostly centrist in their political orientation; 30% considered themselves to the left on social issues compared to 9% on the right, while 11% considered themselves to the left on economic issues compared to 19% on the right."

So the more you complain, the more right you are?

It's safe to say that if you're whining about the "liberal media bias", you're less likely going to be a liberalist.

Progressive means changing the system into something new instead of preserving it or changing it backwards. It has nothing to do with rightist or leftist leanings.

Right, and conservatism is keeping (conserving) things the way they are, but that's not what they really are in their modern meanings. Conservism means capitalism with a strong government, while progressivism means changing from that, to socialism with a moderate government.

Marxist communism, though, is dictatorship of the proletariat and thus authoritarian communism.

Dictatorship of the folk, otherwise known as, democracy.

Conservism means capitalism with a strong government, while progressivism means changing from that, to socialism with a moderate government.

Conservatism is the antithesis of large government. Capitalism inherently relies on a weak gov't, and socialism inherently relies on a strong one. To say otherwise is disinformation, and a baldfaced lie.

Conservatism is the antithesis of large government. Capitalism inherently relies on a weak gov't, and socialism inherently relies on a strong one.

What? No, not at all. There can be capitalism with a big government, with a great military forces, big security agencies spying, a huge police force, but it will still all be capitalism, especially if the government self-funded through govbusiness (like state lotteries in America). And high socialism doesn't rely on strong government, but just organised respreading of money into usually services (healthcare, for example). Usually organised through government, but not necessarily.

Now, libertarianism is capitalism with a weak government.

especially if the government self-funded through govbusiness

Government businesses are the anti-capitalism. You can't redistribute wealth on a huge scale without a huge government.

Conservativism and liberalism are more of moral stances then how big government should be.

If anything, you flip-flopped, when you meant such a specific thing by such a broad phrase (GOP establishment). I am now talking about your meaning.

Everyone who follows American politics understands that 'GOP establishment' does not mean 'GOP voters'. It's not my fault if you don't follow politics or understand English.

Fox News's editorial policy is set from the top down

So 1 major news organization has GOP bias, 4 have Dem bias. Notice a general trend?

Also: "A 2014 Gallup poll found that a plurality of Americans believe the media is biased to favor liberal politics. According to the poll, 44% of Americans feel that news media are "too liberal" (70% of self-identified conservatives, 35% of self-identified moderates, and 15% of self-identified liberals), while 19% believe them to be "too conservative""

"A 1998 study from FAIR found that journalists are "mostly centrist in their political orientation; 30% considered themselves to the left on social issues compared to 9% on the right, while 11% considered themselves to the left on economic issues compared to 19% on the right."

Notice the misleading wording. FAIR says that journalists 'are', but what was actually studied was how the journalists viewed themselves.

It's safe to say that if you're whining about the "liberal media bias", you're less likely going to be a liberalist.

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said that in your opinion, both parties whining means that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Right, and conservatism is keeping (conserving) things the way they are, but that's not what they really are in their modern meanings. Conservism means capitalism with a strong government,

If you define conservatism like that, then it has no meaning outside a certain time period and a certain country. It's a useless definition.

Dictatorship of the folk, otherwise known as, democracy.

You can certainly argue that in real-world communism, proletariat = folk. But in Marx' mind, Communism meant that everyone will prosper instead of everyone becoming poor. So no, Marx' dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean democracy.

Government businesses are the anti-capitalism.

No, they're ultracapitalist, as long as they make profit, since it's more buying things by choice, than forcing you to pay up in taxes. Anarchic 0% tax capitalism is impossible, but 0% tax is possible with small government and effective government-run businesses.

You can't redistribute wealth on a huge scale without a huge government.

Marxism is hoping that actually folk just out of the good of their hearts, do. But realistically, yes, it needs government, as much as capitalism, but it doesn't need a "huge government" - just a government that is big enough to reorganise funds, and the minimum size for that is smaller than most governments today.

Everyone who follows American politics understands that 'GOP establishment' does not mean 'GOP voters'. It's not my fault if you don't follow politics or understand English.

Either way, I didn't flip-flop.

So 1 major news organization has GOP bias, 4 have Dem bias. Notice a general trend?

Also: "A 2014 Gallup poll found that a plurality of Americans believe the media is biased to favor liberal politics. According to the poll, 44% of Americans feel that news media are "too liberal" (70% of self-identified conservatives, 35% of self-identified moderates, and 15% of self-identified liberals), while 19% believe them to be "too conservative""

Self-identification is better than identification from a conserve, who thinks that everyone left of him is liberal.

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said that in your opinion, both parties whining means that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

You said nothing of the kind. So the more you complain, the more right you are?

If you define conservatism like that, then it has no meaning outside a certain time period and a certain country. It's a useless definition.

Republican group is obviously conservative. Very many politic groups all over the world are conservative. In truth, it's a worldwide battle between mainly liberalists against conserves, of some kinds. (though Democratic group is probably low socialist, not liberalist, but not far from liberalism).

But in Marx' mind, Communism meant that everyone will prosper instead of everyone becoming poor. So no, Marx' dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean democracy.

If everyone had a voice in government, then it's a democracy. For better or worse.

Self-identification is better than identification from a conserve, who thinks that everyone left of him is liberal.

Yeah but that was identification from everyone, not just conservatives.

Conservativism and liberalism are more of moral stances then how big government should be.

No. Conservatism is following the Constitution and the Founder's ideals, which include capitalism and small government. Liberalism is just socialism junior.

Yeah but that was identification from everyone, not just conservatives.

Where does it even say that?

No. Conservatism is following the Constitution and the Founder's ideals, which include capitalism and small government.

No, why do you think conservatism is in other countries than America, and arguably older than the USA itself? Y'know, the USA according to its founding principles was corrupted very early on.

"Taxation without representation"

This was a slogan of the American revolutionary war. Yet a few years later, Shay's rebellion was over draconian taxes and an overstepping and corrupt government and was violently put down in 1787. Whiseky Rebelion, a few years later. Started over very like grounds, was violently put down in 1794. I like the USA as a concept, but it quickly has become very corrupted.

According to the poll, 44% of Americans feel that news media are "too liberal"

Keyword: Americans.

At any rate, it's not nearly a significant problem as you implify it is, since, assuming conservatism and liberalism cancel each other out (since, obviously, something can not be both too conservative and too liberal), that's 25% excess, which amounts to 30.1% who care at all and 70% who doesn't think it's too conservative or liberal either way (with a population that is 70% conservative).

Isn't hillary supposed to be incarcerated? Bernie sanders is just socialist filth.

Seriously how is anyone voting Democrat this election.

Trump is arrogant but he knows what he is doing. Every move is coldly calculated.

Cruz is my fav, but he's not gonna win.

Kasich? Who?

Sanders wants to actually not kill so much, he's by far the best, with Clinton a close second. How can folk vote for Republicans? Sure, they've got a somewhat better economic policy, that's it. That's all they have going for them, otherwise there're arses who want to kill and spy on folk, whether it be through unrestricted government surveillence, guns, CO2, or torturing innocent folk in land illegally withheld from Cuba.

Seriously, the Republicans have it bad this election, at this point anyway. Rand Paul was a cool bloke, who was actually pretty smart and peaceful. Ben Carson has one of the best voices I've ever heard. That's all the compliments I can really give to the Republicans this election.

And I used to be kind of for-Trump (as far as the Republicans go), since saying "Mexico is sending killers and rapists" would be statistically relatively true, but then I read in. He's wanting Mexico to pay for some hell-arse expensive wall, he wants to fully stop Muslim immigration to America "I think Islam hates us.", he evaded the frain when asked to condemn KKK...

He's got the best charisma, no doubt, but he's a stupidhead. Charisma shouldn't matter, anyway.

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