@Eklypse

Unless I misread:

Yeah okay...

Last time I checked the US was still a superpower before the left started pushing for "diversity".

I'm pretty sure that he meant diversity took away the superpower status of america...

I agree with you on trump and Hilary, but Sanders is the only legitimate Candidate? Like i know Cruz is basically just the "I will stand with republican values" candidate, but he is still legitimate. and Kasich can't win, so.

I'm pretty sure that he meant diversity took away the superpower status of america...

No I didn't. If I wanted to say diversity was the reason for the suicide of a superpower I would have said explicitly: the left's push for diversity caused the economic, military, and cultural decline of the United States. Since I didn't say that, you can't say I did.

What I simply meant is that increasing diversity shouldn't be a policy that the US government actively pursues. Public colleges shouldn't care about race when accepting students. Businesses shouldn't care about gender or race when hiring employees. Organizations and NGOs shouldn't care about advancing the status or power or wealth of certain races or groups. The US government shouldn't be actively bringing in immigrants from countries that have non-white majorities. Employments, college acceptance, and immigration status should be based solely on merit and skills. Meritocracy should be the goal, and not diversity.

Public colleges shouldn't care about race when accepting students.

That's why diversity is good.

I don't disagree with you on that, in fact race quotas is a shameful thing.


But I'll have to disagree with your "The US government shouldn't be actively bringing in immigrants from countries that have non-white majorities." That's either racist, or poorly formulated.

How is that racist TeamGuns? Jai isn't saying to keep them out, just that we don't need to try and bring them here. We don't push for more whites immigrants, so why do it with other races?

If some couldn't realize, I was refering to Racial diversity. You know, couple blacks over there, few Mexicans, some white people, maybe some Asians and Native Americans...That's what we need, religious diversity is important as well, because, you know, that's why people came to the US in the first place.

Diversity Dishmersity, our economy is F-U-C-K-E-D FUCKED without Bernie Sanders.Any year now, somethings gonna go down and drag our whole economy with it, and the 1% will greedily horde all the money while everyone else drowns in debt. The congress has a 20% approval rating, but a 90% reelection rate. This is because only the evil congressmen have all the money/power, and Bernie will fix that. I could go on and on, but I wont

Diversity Dishmersity, our economy is F-U-C-K-E-D FUCKED without Bernie Sanders.

No, your economy will grow greatly worse with all the public spending that's going to come if he gets what he wants - much cheaper universities, basically a one-payer full free healthcare system, raising the tax rates on the wealthier even more. Clinton is for welfare, but she is also for drug-testing as eligibility for welfare, and those on welfare have to work. Sanders is for neither - no drug testing, no working. Oh, also, raising the minimum wage.

1% will greedily horde all the money while everyone else drowns in debt.

1% worked hard to get their money, and they are working - otherwise they'd lose it before long. But you just want to greedily steal other folks' rewards since you're not doing as much work or businesship, and be lazy. And recall: debt is 100% by choice, if you get yourself in debt, you have noone else but yourself to blame. Don't expect the government to help you with a problem that's going to waste everyone else's money who had nothing to do with it just for a mistake you made.

The congress has a 20% approval rating, but a 90% reelection rate.

I'm for ending gerrymandering, but this doesn't really affect economy.

This is because only the evil congressmen have all the money/power, and Bernie will fix that.

Sanders, to my knowledge, has not said a word about cutting wages for politicians. He has talked about shortening a few time limits, but not about cutting wages.

much cheaper universities, basically a one-payer full free healthcare system, raising the tax rates on the wealthier even more.

Oh sure these are bad things to come... Build a fairer, more secure world for everyone, this is something we should blame!

1% worked hard to get their money, and they are working

Wrong. If some worked many of them also inherited from their family, annuitants do not deserve this sympathy at all.

I'm for ending gerrymandering, but this doesn't really affect economy.

It does. Incompetent people affect economy.

Sanders, to my knowledge, has not said a word about cutting wages for politicians.

What about other candidates, did they say anything about cutting wages for politicians?

The US is already spending way too much, Sanders is going to aggravate the problem much more. He will probably go bombing against someone saying they're doing bad stuff. Socialism wrecks the economy too, and gives the government more power.

Oh sure these are bad things to come... Build a fairer, more secure world for everyone, this is something we should blame!

Go ahead, build it, and devalue university teaching even more (while it still being heck expensive), bankrupt more. I am for free federal higher schools, but they will have to really accept the best of the best, maybe the top 0.1%, and also an organised federal scholarship programme.

Frankly, in my opinion, higher schools need to go back to the status they were at in the 1200s and before - you only went to them if you really-really wanted to learn stuff, was just obsessed with learning and finding things about the world, research, but now some think of it as a must...learning should never be a must, if you are being forced to learn, you won't learn as well and wasting money (under free higher schools for anyone).

If some worked many of them also inherited from their family, annuitants do not deserve this sympathy at all.

It's 100% their family's choice to whom they give their money to, unlike socialists, who want to force to take away money and give it to jobless folk, who don't want to work but do like free food. You really think it's a good way to spend money, by giving it all to the kid? No, of course not, but it's what they want to do. And when the kid grows up and is still a jobless lazybones, the money is going to be automatically respread, as he will buy whatever he wants, and eventually he'll start running low and will have to get a job. So it works out either way.

It does. Incompetent people affect economy.

Competence comes with experience, amongst other things. And elections and referenda - these cost loads of money to hold, along with admitting new members, so if anything, stopping gerrymandering poorly affects economy.

What about other candidates, did they say anything about cutting wages for politicians?

They haven't either (to my knowledge), but you can't assume Sanders will.

No, your economy will grow greatly worse with all the public spending that's going to come if he gets what he wants - much cheaper universities, basically a one-payer full free healthcare system, raising the tax rates on the wealthier even more.

If you actually did some research, you'd find out that if all of Bernie's plans were to pass, the average american would be saved several thousand dollars a year. Raising the taxes on the wealthy is exactly what is needed, many corporations and extremely wealthy people pay NO taxes, which just isn't right.

1% worked hard to get their money, and they are working - otherwise they'd lose it before long.

Oh really, so several billion dollars just "disappear" if you dont work? Go talk to Bill Gates, who's retired and is putting much of his money into charity. And a lot of these fuckers don't work very hard for their money, they just inherit it or dodge taxes.

But you just want to greedily steal other folks' rewards since you're not doing as much work or businesship, and be lazy.

Then how come in the past few decades, both parents have started working, earning the same amount of money as costs for everything continue to rise. The middle class doesn't "work less" or "be lazy" they work just as hard or harder than the 1%, but the world isn't made for everybody who works hard to reach the top. Most people get to the top through connections, not hard work. There are exceptions to every rule, but calling everyone in the 99% "lazy" and "hungry for things they didn't earn" is bullshit. We've goddamn earned the right to not having to pay 10,000 just to get a fucking cut stitched up.

And recall: debt is 100% by choice, if you get yourself in debt, you have noone else but yourself to blame.

Oh so if i get genetic cancer and lose all my money to medical bills, that's my fault? Fuck off man.

Sanders, to my knowledge, has not said a word about cutting wages for politicians. He has talked about shortening a few time limits, but not about cutting wages.

Alright, i wasn't clear about this one. These politicians keep getting re-elected because they control the advertising and political machine to allow them to do so. Sanders proposes limits on campaign spending and donations to allow nearly anyone to run if they've got the qualifications that actually matter, not just a fat wallet.

Also, you have no right to take anyone's money away. You are not owed anything a man has gotten from his father. His father and his fathers before him have worked for their money, and they may do as they wish with their money. Besides, almost no one in the US is really poor. Oh no, I went to a college that I can't afford because they're trying to self adjust , have only a IPhone 5, have a car from 2008, and have a apartment air conditioning, heating, electricity and running water, I'm so poor! Give me your money! All that you should be getting from the government is some infrastructure and emergency services, not effing money for college.

Education is a right, everybody shall have the opportunity and the chance to go to college, and it should not be a question of money.

So we turn all the people who ARE poor away from college? The middle class is a big range bud. How about the people who are barely maintaining the level above poverty? Why shouldn't they go to college.

If you actually did some research, you'd find out that if all of Bernie's plans were to pass, the average american would be saved several thousand dollars a year. Raising the taxes on the wealthy is exactly what is needed, many corporations and extremely wealthy people pay NO taxes, which just isn't right.

It sure as hell doesn't seem to, source me.

http://fee.org/media/13527/rates.png?width:%20100%;%20height:auto

Extremely wealth folk pay the most taxes, you should thank your local rich person.

Oh really, so several billion dollars just "disappear" if you dont work? Go talk to Bill Gates, who's retired and is putting much of his money into charity.

I get what you are saying, but there are 536 billionaires in America, it's obviously not a significant problem, and if they were as "greedy" as you accuse them to be, they're working to make more and more. A great deal of these billionaires' money goes to charities and foreign help funds, by the way (like B. Gates). Furthermore, they don't disappear, they get reintegrated, sure, it's not immediate, but it happens anyway.

Then how come in the past few decades, both parents have started working, earning the same amount of money as costs for everything continue to rise.

Stop being melodramatic, in America, it's still one of the best median incomes, best in the OECD I think, actually (which is loaded with socialist countries). This isn't a problem at all.

The middle class doesn't "work less" or "be lazy" they work just as hard or harder than the 1%, but the world isn't made for everybody who works hard to reach the top.

Anyone can "reach the top", as you say, but it requires risk, economic strategy, and businesship. Wealth doesn't come to you magically, even if you are a daemonic rich person.

Most people get to the top through connections, not hard work.

They get there since they've got wealthy jobs. That's all. Noone is going to pay them if they do nothing.

There are exceptions to every rule, but calling everyone in the 99% "lazy" and "hungry for things they didn't earn" is bullshit.

And calling rich folk lazybones who don't work is bullshit, too, but obviously there's going to be far more lazy in the 99% than in the 1%, and that number will only grow (along with nonworking folk generally) with socialism.

Oh so if i get genetic cancer and lose all my money to medical bills, that's my fault? Fuck off man.

I'm not against free life-threatening healthcare, but I'm definitely against bigger healthcare. Cancer is in great deal preventable through, well, y'know, not eating carcinogens.

Sanders proposes limits on campaign spending and donations to allow nearly anyone to run if they've got the qualifications that actually matter, not just a fat wallet.

Theoretically, I'd be for, but this isn't going to stop anybody, they'll just divide up the money between hordes of folk and donate through that way, and as for campaign spending, they'll just loophole that, too, by giving money to "a foundation that supports X's presidency", that will advertise for them. Limits won't solve anything, so might as well take the choice that doesn't take away freedom of choice: no limits

Can someone tell me something? How come leftists think that since education is a right, everyone should get one, but that even though guns are a right, people don't get free guns? We already give people a K-12 education, and the right to go to college, if not the means. That's enough for me. Go to trade school, join the army; college is not the only way. It is for learning specific professions and skills to be used in employment. Not for getting a general education. That is K-12.

o we turn all the people who ARE poor away from college? The middle class is a big range bud. How about the people who are barely maintaining the level above poverty? Why shouldn't they go to college.

Well, first, don't go somewhere you can't afford, if you take debts, that's 100% your fault. And higher school admittance rates are just too high, it's deflating the value of higher school teaching, but the costs for higher school teaching are staying the same or highering as that's what they can do since it's becoming more mandatory. Much less folk should be going to higher schools than is right now (44% in America have a 4-year higher school diploma or better), higher school should be only for those who really want to learn, are bookish, or just want to help research and find out things about the world.

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t sure as hell doesn't seem to, source me.

http://fee.org/media/13527/rates.png?width:%20100%;%20height:auto

Extremely wealth folk pay the most taxes, you should thank your local rich person.

Just because the rates are there don't mean that those corporations and people actually pay. Offshore accounts are great for hiding money

I'm not against free life-threatening healthcare, but I'm definitely against bigger healthcare. Cancer is in great deal preventable through, well, y'know, not eating carcinogens.

Ah, the wonderful life of mixed nuts and chicken and fish. Sounds rad. I know too many healthy people who got cancer to believe its JUST eating carcinogens, so don't be an arrogant prick.



I'm not going to bother arguing this anymore, no matter what I say, you'll disagree, I can't convince you, so bye.