Yes, he might've created a lot of things anew. Still doesn't solve the fact that over time the world will simply going back to the way it used to be.

Also, in all seriousness, for a show that ends with the main character dying, there were wayyyyyyy tooooooo maaaaaaannnyyyyy cases of people surviving due to "plot armor". I mean, good god. Like, the only "good" characters that die are the red-head that likes Lelouch and Lelouch himself from what I remember. And Rolo. But pretty much everyone survives.

Okay, many of the "good" characters, as you put it, are in a high school. I would hope they don't die. On top of that, Euphie and half of Toto's knights are killed off. Does that Chinese dude die, too? I know he had health problems. The princesses don't go off and fight, and many of the specified Black Knights are veterans who are under the control of Lelouch.

There really would be no reason for many "good" characters to have been killed off if they were. Who actually cares about any of the Black Knights aside from Kallen? Kallen was the only one with plot armor (and plot attack) that is not explained through the existence of Geass or being a calm and calculated veteran of a prior faction, and I'll admit the R2 strayed away from strategy a bit and sometimes became a "my dick is bigger" type mecha anime. But she's the only character.

The "good" characters that are kept alive are also used for plot points. That afro guy's relationship with Villeta becomes a factor for her eventually wanting to help the Black Knights (even if she was forced by Lelouch), and his turn against Lelouch in R2 helps to build up the drama and tragedy surrounding Lelouch, since he was 100% loyal to Zero. Same with the surviving knights of Toto's. Hell, even Tamaki (red-head) provides us with a running gag that is shown both bluntly and subtly.

Of course not many "good" characters die. Lelouch is leading them; for the longest time he didn't want to treat his people as pawns like his father did. If they were dying left and right, we wouldn't have much of a story or a good character in Lelouch.

Okay, many of the "good" characters, as you put it, are in a high school. I would hope they don't die. On top of that, Euphie and half of Toto's knights are killed off. Does that Chinese dude die, too? I know he had health problems. The princesses don't go off and fight, and many of the specified Black Knights are veterans who are under the control of Lelouch.

Ok, Euphie people liked. I don't think Toto's Knights were that relevant. I believe Mao was brought back again even after C2 killed him, but I can't remember.

Also, that one Second born Princess Victoria (I think) does fight.

I'll admit the R2 strayed away from strategy a bit and sometimes became a "my dick is bigger" type mecha anime. But she's the only character.

R2 was just deus ex machina after deus ex machina.

That afro guy's relationship with Villeta becomes a factor for her eventually wanting to help the Black Knights (even if she was forced by Lelouch), and his turn against Lelouch in R2 helps to build up the drama and tragedy surrounding Lelouch, since he was 100% loyal to Zero.

Thats another thing. You've got all these people who have been loyal to ZERO FOR YEARS, and a FUCKING TAPE RECORDING convinces them to immediately abandon Zero????

They were willing to die for him, and a five minute conversation gets them to abandon him????

If there faith in him was that little, then realistically, they would have abandoned him a long time ago.

If they were dying left and right, we wouldn't have much of a story or a good character in Lelouch.

No, we'd have a story with a much better ending that doesn't seem quite so Naive. Kallen is by far my favorite character, yet I would've preferred she die at some point.

Why? Because people dying would've at least given the series some feeling of "Ok, this is kinda sad."

I mean really, Euphie and Shirley are the only "good guys" that die that are relevant.

But Lelouch dying just comes out of no where, and doesnt fit with the plot well.

Ok, Euphie people liked. I don't think Toto's Knights were that relevant. I believe Mao was brought back again even after C2 killed him, but I can't remember.

He survives the first time, then goes more crazy than he was, then he dies.

Also, that one Second born Princess Victoria (I think) does fight.

Cornelia. In all honesty, I never liked her character, but I think that's what they were going for. And it wouldn't make sense for her to die. Who else would be an obstacle in Japan?

R2 was just deus ex machina after deus ex machina.

It had some wtf moments. My personal favorite is "We're all Zero!"

Thats another thing. You've got all these people who have been loyal to ZERO FOR YEARS, and a FUCKING TAPE RECORDING convinces them to immediately abandon Zero????

I think Lelouch abandoning them at Kyushu, him not being Japanese, ordering them to kill a bunch of children, and one of Toto's knights bluntly saying that they can't trust Zero right before he dies also has something to do with it, but whatever floats your boat.

They were willing to die for him, and a five minute conversation gets them to abandon him????

No, as explained above.

If there faith in him was that little, then realistically, they would have abandoned him a long time ago.

That faith was being chiseled away throughout both seasons, and Lelouch basically confessing to all his actions when they cornered him is when they felt the betrayal kick in.

No, we'd have a story with a much better ending that doesn't seem quite so Naive. Kallen is by far my favorite character, yet I would've preferred she die at some point.

No, we wouldn't have a story at all. Lelouch is a genius that doesn't want to treat his followers as sacrificial pawns like his father. If everyone was dying, then Lelouch would either not be a genius and eventually fail and die, or he would be like his father, in which case he wouldn't be rising against Britannia at all.
The ending isn't naive, either. He had been planning his own death since he killed Euphie. He fights and conquers evil after evil until he is the only prevalent evil left. And when he is the only prevalent evil left, he kills himself off as a means of closure. That's much better than any ending one of your preferred plot lines would take it. In fact, your ways would have more deus ex machinas than the original.
Kallen could have died, but that would take away from Lelouch's death, I feel. Doesn't really matter.

Why? Because people dying would've at least given the series some feeling of "Ok, this is kinda sad."

There was an anime by the name, "Attack on Titan," that killed off nearly everyone "good." Only four characters that died were likable and had any effect on the audience (Levi's crew), because they were given depth. Kallen dying certainly would have been emotional if done right, but at what point in the series would it have been right? Her existence gives off some emotion, anyway. her backstory, her one-sided romance, her conflict within herself.

I mean really, Euphie and Shirley are the only "good guys" that die that are relevant.

They are the only good characters besides Kallen and Lelouch that have any relevance.

But Lelouch dying just comes out of no where, and doesnt fit with the plot well.

That is simply incorrect. We see many signs of depression in Lelouch and foreshadowing in the episodes prior to the finale. Lelouch almost using Refrain (until he was stopped by Kallen), C2 saying about the "weight of the mask" being heavier than you could imagine, willingly locking himself in C's World with Charles. The pieces are there, just waiting for you to put them together.
And what do you mean it doesn't go with the plot well? How the hell was it supposed to go had he lived? Him living would equate Code Geass's ending to Guilty Crown's P.O.S. ending. unnecessary, anticlimactic, and not giving anything closure.

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Hmm.

Now that you mention it, this just makes me hate Lelouch even more.

The truth is, what reason does Lelouch have to be depressed?

His Mom's dead? Uh... no. He ends up killing her himself.

His sister.... oh wait, yeah. The guy who supposedly does everything for his sister really doesn't give a f*** about his sister. He basically ignores her the entire series.

The girl he likes... or doesn't, based on the fact he basically spends the entire series ignoring her.

The only real reason Lelouch is depressed is because he's just a pity-party throwing jerk. He accidentally causes the deaths of millions. Does he care? No. It was all easily avoidable- lets just admit it, Lelouch's intelligence may be heavily exagerated, but he's not stupid.

All he needed to do to conquer the world was say "Obey me" to Clovis, or later, Cornelia.


End of story, he gets them under his control, and he'd easily be able to infiltrate Brittania.

The truth is, when you get down to it, it's the same thing as Breaking Bad: a person who supposedly has "good" reasons for committing their terrible actions, but in reality, are just doing it because it "felt good."

Quite possibly, the only person he genuinely seems to care about at all in the series is Suzaku- which is why I totally approve of what quickly comes up in this list:

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He accidentally causes the deaths of millions. Does he care? No.

Wat? Making Euphie kill them and then killing Euphie was the thing that first had Lelouch wanting to die. He cared tons, but he had to play along, otherwise their deaths would have been for naught.

It was all easily avoidable- lets just admit it, Lelouch's intelligence may be heavily exagerated, but he's not stupid.

I also find it semi-laughable that he lost control right at that moment, but he didn't know what losing control was until that point.

His Mom's dead? Uh... no. He ends up killing her himself.

He didn't know jack until C's World. He had every reason to hate his dad for his mother's "death."

His sister.... oh wait, yeah. The guy who supposedly does everything for his sister really doesn't give a f*** about his sister. He basically ignores her the entire series.

Well, he abandoned the most important battle of R1 to save her, so...
He wants a better world for his sister. His sister just wants to live happily with him. Keeping things the way they were did not guarantee they could live happy.

All he needed to do to conquer the world was say "Obey me" to Clovis, or later, Cornelia.

Lelouch was not in a position to order Clovis around without being caught. And besides, his purpose was to destroy.

The truth is, when you get down to it, it's the same thing as Breaking Bad: a person who supposedly has "good" reasons for committing their terrible actions, but in reality, are just doing it because it "felt good."

He had a jolly good time screwing over Britannia. The series openly shows that. But ever since Euphy's death, he had more or less been playing along because he had to. He didn't use millions of dead 11's as a recruiting chip because it "felt good."

Quite possibly, the only person he genuinely seems to care about at all in the series is Suzaku- which is why I totally approve of what quickly comes up in this list:

I see why we don't agree with each other now. You are on team Suzaku. You are a rare breed, indeed. In my view, Suzaku is responsible for more pointless deaths than Lelouch, what with his flip-flopping ideals and nuking f*cking Tokyo.
His logic is flawed, too. By becoming the Knight of 1, he can become viceroy of any nation he wants. That's great for Area 11, but what of the rest? In essence, he is only solving one part of the problem whereas Lelouch's method reaches all areas. In using Britannia's system to become Viceroy of Japan, he is essentially being just as selfish as you are making Lelouch out to be; worrying about his Japan and nowhere else, turning a blind eye to the rest of the conquered world.

No. I strongly dislike Suzaku. The only characters I like in the whole f***ing show are Kallen (who's badass and pretty sensible) and Nunally (whos adorable and innocent). And Orange. 200% motherfucking loyalty.

I think you misunderstand me.

I blame Lelouch- not Suzaku and Schniezel- for the destruction of TOKYO and of PENDRAGON, two major cities that were wiped out, killing approximately 36 million in Tokyo and an unknown number of millions in Pendragon.

Also, what do you mean, he would've been discovered if he controlled Clovis/Cornelia? He could've simply put the whole Area 11 military brass under his control, and it would NOT have been that difficult.

From there, just start working on getting people into positions to mass suicide-murder the whole Brittanian government.

With that simple fix, he wouldn't have had nearly so much fun- but he would've avoided 70 million or so death. Probably more like 80 million.

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If he murders too many Brits in power too quickly, he loses any support from Britannians.

When I say he wasn't in a position to control, I mean he wasn't in a position to control. He just got the power of Geass. He had no idea wtf he was doing; he fell into a goddamned truck, was kissed by a witch, and then BAM he's in the middle of an attempted genocide.
And if he tried to take control of Britannia as you suggest, his father would catch wind of it immediately and stop him. Zero, with his hatred for his father and homeland, was the only way he could destroy Britannia as it was and try to unite the world under one symbol and goal, although he really only cared about destruction and Nunnally.

Orange is love, Orange is life. He easily went from most hated to most liked in the matter of seconds. On a side note, he is another character that gives us a running gag.

It's obvious we'll never see eye to eye on this one. I suggest we set this argument aside.

However, He's totally still alive. I'm not sure if you remember, but I posted my theory on here a while ago.

Goodnight.

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Agreed.

The only thing we can agree on is that Orange is the best character named after a color/fruit, ever.

^So true! :D

Ever. No neo-stormtrooper can top his loyalty or badassery. He has a sword in his arm, oil runs through his veins, he has an anti-Geass eye, and all while wearing a suit.

And what does he do after his master dies and peace is restored? He works on a freaking orange plantation. Have you ever been so badass that you just needed to get away from it all and work on an orange plantation? No, you haven't, because you aren't Jeremiah (Orange) Gottwald.

LOL.