Get used to it, topics exist to get derailed :p

Still doesn't make the USSR better, does it, Juq? I wanna hear it from you.

Citation needed.

Really? It's not, this is the bare minimum that everyone agrees on (20 mil). But here is one anyway. http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

A dictatorship has one ruler, you're implying the rule of many. The U.S is an Oligarchy at worst, but that's stretching it since the same corruption seeps into many modern democracies.

Maybe the better word I was looking for was "autocracy", but dictatorship can mean the same thing. It's not at all stretching it, in America, third parties are even stopped from getting onto ballots! News is very closely tied to government, I mean, c'mon. Also relativitiy doesn't help here - "modern democracies" aren't democracies, in truth, some of the more democratic countries today America hates, like Russia or Ecuador.

People love blaming soldiers for the wars that politicians order them to fight. Stop pointing blame at the wrong sources.

I have said before, it's a totally different setting if it's an antigeneven draft, but it's not. You have the politicians to aim for legalising murder, then you have the murderers to blame, too (unless they're being forced to, then it's a different setting).

Besides, most of those "murderer scum" are perfectly normal people, with loving families, who took the job to help get by financially.A good chunk have probably never killed anyone either.

A serial killer or mercenary or assassin will oft have loving families and seem normal, too, and mercenaries and assassins to it to "get by" financially. Now, I'm not railing against soldiers who haven't killed anybody, like clerks or meds, but that's not the majority.

Hatred of war is rational, but you seem to have an irrational hatred for anyone associated with the military.

War is not like an earthquake or a thunderstorm. It happens deliberately, from misdeeds that folk conciously do. I hate folk who do this, it's fully rational.

Still doesn't make the USSR better, does it, Juq? I wanna hear it from you.

Absolutely not, though the 50 million estimate is probably high. Soviet Union was disgusting, war crimes in the Second World War, and now the Russian Federation just likes to brag every 10 years or so about how it saved Europe.

The problem is though, everyone here knows that Russia is terrible, but they don't know America. Just as Stalin is depressingly rated as one of the best Russian leaders in the 20th century, new Piłsudski statues are being sculpted by the Polish cultural commission, while in America, the Republican Group is. Enough said.

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in truth, some of the more democratic countries today America hates, like Russia or Ecuador.

Russia, more democratic? Are you joking? Putin fits the definition of Autocrat far more than Obama does.

I hate folk who do this, it's fully rational.

Is it really? You're classifying an immense group of people under one umbrella, without personally knowing any of them. I have friends and relatives who are/have been in the military, and none of them fit this "Evil psychopathic serial killer" straw-man that you've erected.

like clerks or meds, but that's not the majority.

The majority of folk do not kill in the military. You need tens of thousands of folks who aren't doing combat jobs to support the folk who do the fighting, and at that most fighting folk do not actually kill. The purpose of infantry is not to kill enemy soldiers, it's to capture a place because that place will be helpful later on in the operation or it is the main objective.

Russia, more democratic? Are you joking? Putin fits the definition of Autocrat far more than Obama does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-to-understand-putins-jaw-droppingly-high-approval-ratings/2016/03/05/17f5d8f2-d5ba-11e5-a65b-587e721fb231_story.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/20/donald-trump/donald-trump-right-about-putins-popularity-russia/

http://www.levada.ru/eng/indexes-0

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

80+% approof, against ~50% approff. No electoral college in Russia. 63.6% vote. Obama: 81% electoral vote, 51% popular vote. Politic parties have to jump through far less hoops to get on the ballot.

Meantime, America is running propoganda campaigns against Correa, one of the most democratic presidents I have seen, I mean, he has a forum every week where he talks and answers frain from folk, both who is there and online (through Twitter), and when he gets angry, he doesn't censor folk. The most he does is sue them if what they're saying is just false, and if not, then just insult them and physically rip their newspapers up.

Is it really? You're classifying an immense group of people under one umbrella, without personally knowing any of them. I have friends and relatives who are/have been in the military, and none of them fit this "Evil psychopathic serial killer" straw-man that you've erected.

Have they killed and do they not regret it? If yes to both, then they definitely fit "evil psychopathic serial killer".

The majority of folk do not kill in the military. You need tens of thousands of folks who aren't doing combat jobs to support the folk who do the fighting, and at that most fighting folk do not actually kill. The purpose of infantry is not to kill enemy soldiers, it's to capture a place because that place will be helpful later on in the operation or it is the main objective.

I doubt that, but either way, I hate the ones who do kill, not really the ones who don't.

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Meantime, you still are an American patriot, who said that America needs to start killing more innocent folk, friends and family of folk at war with America. America, which has directly and indirectly killed at minimum 20,000,000 since the Second World War, a long past of warmongering, a dictatorship of filthy hypocritic psycopaths, and a glorification of the murderer scum who do the dirty work for all this that you call "servicemen".

That 20 million number seems fishy. Does it include lives saved by stopping Nazis and Japan? Or is it just lost and no saved? Regardless, it is well less than Stalin alone

Have they killed and do they not regret it? If yes to both, then they definitely fit "evil psychopathic serial killer".

There's far more to it than just those criteria. If I kill someone in defense of my family, and don't regret the action, am I immediately classified as a psychopathic murderer?

Shooting helpless civilians makes you a murderer, shooting enemy combatants who are about to shoot you is a sad fact of war.

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USSR > USA

USA never stopped existing.

That 20 million number seems fishy.

Yeah, smells low to me, I agree. 50 million is probably more right there.

Does it include lives saved by stopping Nazis and Japan?

As if that would change the numbers significantly. One life saved doesn't cancel out killing a life, otherwise Nazis and Japanese kill counts would also be lowered.

Regardless, it is well less than Stalin alone

I'm not shielding Stalin, but "oh we're good since we're not a paranoid communist dictator, just militarist capitalist dicator."

You know the funniest thing? Most Americans actually believe Reagan stopped the Cold War and not Gorbachev xD it's hilarious to me. Dumb patriots.

You know the funniest thing? Most Oxen think they know what they're talking about when they open their mouths.

There's far more to it than just those criteria. If I kill someone in defense of my family, and don't regret the action, am I immediately classified as a psychopathic murderer?

Absolutely. Killing should be done only as the last resort, and if you don't feel serious consequences after that, you're psycopathic. But you probably would feel regret.

Shooting helpless civilians makes you a murderer, shooting enemy combatants who are about to shoot you is a sad fact of war.

Shooting both are sad truths, especially when everyone is a civilian when drafts are put in. I'd be more ok if the government just advertised contained cock fights by choice and advertised it as such and spent much less money on it, but that's not what's happening. War never leaves out innocent folk and land being hurt or killed. Every soldier who kills or does military deeds takes part in wrecking folk and their land. Psycopath.

USSR > USA

USA never stopped existing.

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You know the funniest thing? Most Americans actually believe Reagan stopped the Cold War and not Gorbachev xD it's hilarious to me. Dumb patriots.

Hmm, one to talk about dumb patriots, eh?

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Irony was intentional.

EDIT: But, I do believe what I said before that last remark.

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Killing should be done only as the last resort

Sometimes there's only one option.

Every soldier who kills or does military deeds takes part in wrecking folk and their land. Psychopath

By your definitions anyone who's not a total pacifist is a psychopath. Pacifism is great in an ideal world, but currently it's not practical.

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One life saved doesn't cancel out killing a life

Of course it does. How would it not? If someone is going to die without you, and someone else dies because you helped them, it all goes to 0.

Sometimes there's only one option.

There has not been a war in the last 100 years that was the only choice left.

By your definitions anyone who's not a total pacifist is a psychopath.

I'm not even saying only "pacifists", but everyone who are executioners of a politic war machine are definitely psycopathic. They have no care for life. They are heartless, and a very big part of the problem. Now, for those that were executioners but truly regret, then, no, they're not psycopaths.

Pacifism is great in an ideal world, but currently it's not practical.

It's very practic, way more practic than a militarist world, but it's not going to happen. It's not pragmatic.

Of course it does. How would it not? If someone is going to die without you, and someone else dies because you helped them, it all goes to 0.

Killing means taking a life away. Saving doesn't mean giving a life, it means holding a life.

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If they were sure to die, it is giving a life

If they were sure to die, it is giving a life

If you were planning to kill X but chose against it, did you save X's life?

I could save so many lives...

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Oh aliens are attacking X again. Darn the aliens.