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@Tchaikovsky Reborn: A series of expeditions by the Church of the East from the 10th century made a lot of central Asia christian for a time.

INDO-HINDU CIVILISATION

Ujjain (Paramara Kingdom): 8
Patliputra (Pala Empire): 9
Paharpur (Pala Empire): 5
Pipili (Pala Empire): 3
Kannauj (Gadavala Dynasty): 9
Chittor (Paramara Kingdom): 5
Somnath (Solanki Kingdom): 4
Bijapur (Chalukya Dynasty): 5
Vatapi (Chalukya Dynasty): 4
Kalyani (Chalukya Dynasty): 7
Manyakheta (Chalukya Dynasty): 7
Tanjore (Chola Empire): 5
Gangaikonda-Cholapuram: (Chola Empire): 6
Anuradhapura (Chola Empire): 4
Vengi (Chola Empire): 4
Cuttack (Chola Empire): 3
Tripuri (Kalachuri Kingdom): 4
Kalinjar (Kalachuri Kingdom): 3

Edited 5/23/2016 00:56:43

I don't know enough about India, specially in the middle ages, to contest that. Meanwhile, you literally just made a whole video about it, so I'll just trust you with that :P

ISLAMIC WORLD

Marrakech (Almoravid Dynasty): 6
Aghmat (Almoravid Dynasty): 4
Toledo (Al-Andalus): 5
Badajoz (Al-Andalus): 3
Córdoba (Al-Andalus): 9
Al-Mahdiya (Zirid Dynasty): 5
Tunis (Zirid Dynasty): 3
Qayrawan (Zirid Dynasty): 3
Palermo (Sicily): 5
Adjabiya (Fatimid Caliphate): 4
Alexandria (Fatimid Caliphate): 7
Cairo (Fatimid Caliphate): 8
Aswan (Fatimid Caliphate): 3
Mecca (Fatimid Caliphate): 5
Jerusalem (Fatimid Caliphate): 5
Levantine Tripoli (Fatimid Caliphate): 3
Damascus (Fatimid Caliphate): 7
Baghdad (Abbasid Caliphate): 9
Basrah (Abassid Caliphate): 6
Jibal (Abassid Caliphate): 4
Aleppo (Aleppo): 5
Mosul (Mosul): 7
Tabriz (Azerbaijan): 5
Ardabil (Azerbaijan): 4
Isfahan (Seljuq Empire): 8
Shiraz (Seljuq Empire): 5
Rayy (Seljuq Empire): 4
Marv (Seljuq Empire): 3
Zarani (Seljuq Empire): 3
Old Urgench (Seljuq Empire): 6
Samarkand (Kara-Khanid Khanate): 8
Ghazni (Ghaznavid Empire): 7
Lahore (Ghaznavid Empire) 6
Multan (Ghaznavid Empire): 5
Daybul (Ghaznavid Empire): 4
Muscat (Oman): 4
Sana'a (Yemen): 4

Edited 5/23/2016 13:53:17

You mispelled "Al-Andalus" in basically every instance of it...

Also some cities should have a different value, in my opinion:

Alexandria: 8 - It was still a commercial hub in the eastern mediterranean. Probably the biggest, aside from G L O R I O U S Constantinople.

Cairo: 9 - The biggest, most powerful city of the muslims, weaker than Córdoba? :s

Damascus: 7 - Far more developed as a city than many other 6's out there.

Baghdad: 7 - Once again, overrated for a city that fell so easily to the turks.

Samarkand: 8 - The center of the Silk Road, biggest and most important city in central asia. Economically it was a hub just about as big and powerful as Damascus... In the middle of goddamn nowhere! A gem in the steppes.

Mecca: 4 - Zero economic importance, and not densely populated to be a 5. Literally the only thing it has is a big black rock that makes people pray.

About Al-Andalus, I'll correct it, but it's not a massive problem - that name doesn't actually appear in the map.

Alexandria: I'm trying to make the point that it was of lesser significance to Cairo, and each civilisation is limit to two tier-9 cities, but this is covered in your next suggestion -


Cairo vs Córdoba: Córdoba was actually the largest city in the whole world for a time during the early 1000s. By 1045, a Chinese city called Kaifeng overtook it, but it was nonetheless still an absolute giant, and larger than Cairo as far as I'm aware.

Damascus: Fair enough, I'll change it

Baghdad: Its population was well over 200 000 at this time, that surely noteworthy. The reason it fell to the Mongols was because pretty much everything around it had, and plus that's 200 years later anyway.

Samarkand: Again, point well made - I'll change it.

Mecca: Cities aren't just rated on their economic importance or population, they get extra points for being an influential religious or political centre. This is why Aachen and Rome score so highly.

Edited 5/22/2016 00:32:31

About Andalus, well, I know it's not on the map, but correcting it now might prevent the typo from showing up in the map itself. I still giggle at Murcia being called "Murica" everytime on your 30YW map.

Well, Aachen was also capital of the franks for some time; it was still a big city. There is a point on that. Rome was also quite big at the time. Mecca wasn't even the biggest city on Arabia.

As for Córdoba, I honestly didn't know that. Wow o_O

Anyhow; I maintain my point about Baghdad and Cairo. It was big, but not as powerful as Cairo. The Abbasid era was long gone; Cairo would be the center of political power for the islamic world for a VERY LONG TIME. It was the head of the Fatimids, the Ayyubids and later the Mamluks, taken over only in the 1500s by the Ottomans; and it was still a large and powerful city while under ottoman rule. The islamic world's political center would be Cairo until 1453, when Constantinople - now under turkish rule - took over.

Edited 5/22/2016 00:52:23

Yeah, I've had second thoughts about Mecca. The lowest a city can be is 3, and I'll boost it to 4 due to its religious significance.

As for Cairo, I know it became very important during the Mamluk era, but are you sure it was that big in 1045? It's not even 80 years old at this time; the Fatimids founded it just a few decades earlier.

I believe Cairo had a population of around 130,000 around 1045/1050

I'd love to test!

fatimids seem really strong, more so than byzantium maybe

BUDDHIST CIVILISATION

Bianjing (Song Dynasty): 9
Xi'an (Song Dynasty): 9
Lin'an (Song Dynasty): 7
Qi (Song Dynasty): 6
Guang (Song Dynasty): 3
Chenliu (Song Dynasty): 5
Dading (Liao Dynasty): 8
Liaoying (Liao Dynasty): 6
Datong (Liao Dynasty): 5
Linhuang (Liao Dynasty): 4
Xingqing (Xia Dynasty): 6
Zhangye (Xia Dynasty): 4
Dali (Dali): 7
Dehuabei (Dali): 3
Đại La (Dai Viet): 4
Vijaya (Champa Kingdom): 4
Angkor (Khmer Empire): 8
Ayutthaya (Khmer Empire): 5
Vientiane (Khmer Empire): 4
Pegu (Pegu): 6
Pagan (Pagan): 6
Durjaya (Kamarupa Kingdom): 5
Kathmandu (Nepal): 5

Edited 5/27/2016 21:40:23

Yes, Cairo was really big and powerful. Since the Fatimid era, Egypt is the center of the muslim world, and all powerful caliphates were based on it. It was still recent, but a great city nonetheless. And considering the Seljuq invasion is one of the setups that weakened Baghdad to empower Cairo, that makes extra sense.

On the buddhists:

Qingdao, Luoyang, Chengdu are some examples of big cities worth a mention. Can't tell much about them though, I don't know my east asian history well enough.

Was Ayyuthaya already a thing back then?

I'll probably add those cities, the list isn't quite long enough at the moment. We just need to be careful not to add too many Song ones, because it's not supposed to be that far ahead of the Liao Dynasty. I'll also make a provision for Ayyuthaya.

Regarding the Seljuq invasion, they hadn't reached Baghdad by 1045, so Baghdad hadn't been weakened yet.

The map is now finished, the final test games will begin shortly. No new people can be accepted beyond this point.

Woohoo! Can't wait for it :D

question:

Weren't Nanjing and Beijing still massive cities during this time?

Nanjing is a good suggestion, I might add that. Beijing didn't become hugely important until the Ming era as far as I'm aware.

Chengdu was a massive city back then (is still big up to this date; been huge since the three kingdoms era). But then again, into would fall into Song again... Song has pretty much all the goodies I know of.