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knyte, I, fleecemaster, Zephyrum, have all at some point been on the CORP blacklist

That's news to me. I handled the blacklist and afaict the thread was essentially abandoned after I left (until Death and later Prab tried to revive it, with limited success). Personally added you there (over forum conduct) and confirmed Zephyrum (over in-game conduct) for the blacklist (and later put in a little addendum/explanation thing when people found out they actually liked Zeph, although there was really nothing in the framework of the whole thing that handled removing people so I just kept him on there).

The blacklist was also opt-in; people just added players based on specific instances of conduct, and I confirmed and categorized that these instances of conduct had occurred so people who took issue with them could blacklist them. It wasn't much more than a dataset open to the whole clan- certainly not a list of people everyone in the clan had to have on their blacklist.

So I don't think I was ever on it, given that the whole project essentially collapsed when I left. Just checked and neither was Fleece.

Here's your entry, though (under "Racism/sexism/etc. or flaming/trolling"):

Жұқтыру - https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6626822151 - disrespectful behavior, actively campaigning to hurt CORP and its members with false information - https://www.warlight.net/Forum/94411-3-core-reasons-join-corp-4-auxilliary

And Zephyrum's (under "Poor diplo etiquette (may include other offenses)"):

[WOLF] Zephyrum - https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=8638136582 - ADDENDUM/EXPLANATION: http://ibin.co/28V9EXk8Xf6E - disrespectful, "he took 10 min each turns to commit, refused to accept all the surrenders so we had to boot everyone, and openly ignored our comments in the chat. He furthermore ruined the game by giving all his territories to a friend. And even once we were bored and that we all wanted to vote, he did not vote and wasted our time." - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8812863

(this was entirely removed in Prab's latest version, the first one where people were actually removed)

Yours was probably the biggest stretch on the whole original blacklist- really the only time someone got on there for being a dick to the clan (although you're enough of a dick to stay on my blacklist long after that :P ) until Death and Prab stepped it up with the later iterations and put Salty and another dude on there for also flaming CORP on the forum. Most of it was useless tbh since it was just random low-levels that had been dicks in diplos.

Technically I did put myself on the clanwide blacklist to cover up the NIGHT alt (under "Racism/sexism/etc. or flaming/trolling"):

Armin Arlert - https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3949010559 - being a dick in general? - https://www.warlight.net/Forum/100205-pathetic?Offset=49

But the blacklist was far from an instrument of clan drama and more of just a unified way to inform one another about assholes and other people you might not want to play with.

Edited 5/3/2016 12:35:43

So I don't think I was ever on it, given that the whole project essentially collapsed when I left. Just checked and neither was Fleece.

Fleecemaster told me he was (and it would make sense, he had some troubles with a few members), and I assumed you were after you said something like "little tea shoe managers off pooping on the toilet." to Koala, and Koala said that you were being "denigerative" and trying to break apart CORP.

^ Did I ever say this? I may have Alzheimer after all...

Edited 5/5/2016 00:35:09

Yeah, I don't think CORP would ever put me on the blacklist. It'd be like the Chinese denouncing Deng Xiaoping or the Americans repudiating FDR.

Yeah, I don't think CORP would ever put me on the blacklist.

You got into a few spats, what makes you so sure?

History.

Fleece was (is?) for a brief moment over a discussion he had with Ox/Death on a game (one that's still rolling; it's a FFA, despite having "diplo" on it's name, and it's basically me running inside death to cripple him while Kretoma takes everything over for a guaranteed win).

In that game, Fleece went up and trashtalked quite a lot about CORP. I still don't know if he was serious or just taunting Ox into attacking him, but either way, he got his goal accomplished :P It was quite funny.

As for me, that's because Angry Koala was wolf-racist and would blacklist wolves at any sight of trouble D= And I was a wolf back then.

Knyte, as far as I know, has never been on it, though he alt was.

As for Juq, he might still be due to all that drama back about the CORP icon and the hijack.

So, yeah, CORP sometimes nitpicks when blacklisting people, but then again, our buddy Karin, or as I like to call him, "mongol mongol", isn't a nitpick. He created a lot of drama on CORP forums and proceeded to diss it on public forums - three times so far - and also on AOE forums (not sure if he did it on Entente forums) during his brief stay there. Oh yeah, that and all the personal insults to quite a lot of us (myself, Ox, Death, and some more).

And please, I had the unpopular spiteful opinion of you in CORP, Kalin, btw. Note how when you threatened to leave the clan how everyone but me was nice to you (with a couple people saying I had a point but was too harsh).

Before you went on your fruitless crusade against the clan, lots liked you (whether it was out of pity i don't know).

Cata, Ven, Nogals, oljo, Prab, Dublin, Map man, muddles all encouraged you to stay, but now some of them loathe you (like Nogals), and some of them you begin to treat like dirt despite being nice to you (like Ven).

Hehehehe, but some people I guess silently agreed with me <3



love you guys haha :D

As for me, that's because Angry Koala was wolf-racist and would blacklist wolves at any sight of trouble D= And I was a wolf back then.

I'm not really "wolf racist", actually just found the first clanwide blacklist, and about you here is the exact reason:
"
[WOLF] Zephyrum - https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=8638136582 - ADDENDUM/EXPLANATION: http://ibin.co/28V9EXk8Xf6E - disrespectful, "he took 10 min each turns to commit, refused to accept all the surrenders so we had to boot everyone, and openly ignored our comments in the chat. He furthermore ruined the game by giving all his territories to a friend. And even once we were bored and that we all wanted to vote, he did not vote and wasted our time." - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8812863 "

But since this moment I totally changed my opinion about you. I suppose you had a bad day during that common game we had a long time ago, this could happen to everybody, myself included so...

Oh, I thought I was told I was on the Corp Blacklist by Ox, and I was defo told by a few others that I was, like tojam for example. I got some nasty messages from some other Corp members about my "talking shit" as well, people I didn't even know... Maybe I was taken off it, I guess it didn't last long either way. No way for me to check I guess, and I'm not really that fussed, I just thought it was funny at the time.

and I'm still waiting for Ox to prove that there is a better template maker than me in Corp...

better template maker than you? well easy: Kretoma, dukeofdank, vitriol/knyte and zephyrum. I am also not that bad but it's been a long time I did not made any templates anyway.

Some examples of good template from current games:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11080134 (teapot of chaos, Zeph)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11102549 (Napoleon and the fifth coalition, Zeph)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10824657 (1350, Rise of Ottomans and Muscovy, Zeph)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10214048 (Kingdoms and Castles, Knyte)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9715743 (1914 RPG, Kretoma)
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10674497 (the great depression, historical simulation, Kretoma)

Kretoma is a good template maker, that is true, but I said better than me...

Also I'm in like half those games already, numbnuts...

And I don't say that to belittle anyone, I think all template makers are great and a huge commodity to Warlight, and I always enjoy helping people to improve their templates, so I'm not about to start ripping holes in other people's templates in this thread just to prove a pointless point, if you really want to see who's best then play in some of my templates as well, and get a feel for what is "good" and then make your own judgement.

tbh and with all due respect, you are not a very good template maker Fleece, the few games I know you made, they were historically inaccurate, badly made in terms of settings (bad accuracies of cards for example, or incomes not reflecting actual powers of nations), and too succinct description and explanations (gosh compare it with Kretoma's work, making additional files and keeping it updated each turns).

But I can concede you are a pretty arrogant template maker at least, this is commonly accepted now I guess.

And if I had to make an advice, I would suggest to other template makers to not invite you since you are leaving games in turn 1 just because you noobishly realized you did not like it ruining an entire game, etc. Just for it you would deserve a place in our clanwide blacklist.

In my experience it just saves time, there's usually a pattern for bad behavior in hosts, and it's usually just a waste of time and effort to explain to people why there is a problem (I have tried in the past). So I just save myself and everyone a lot of time and just leave the game. If your template hinges on every single player not leaving a game then... well, perhaps your template isn't as good as you thought it was?

I generally make my templates focus on the enjoyment of the game itself, which means sometimes the historical accuracy is reduced. I can make historically accurate templates too, but you have to be careful with all this "extra" stuff you talk about that you're not just making something simple much more complicated than it needs to me. It's a game after all... I think this segregation is a good thing though, you can all stick to your way of doing things, and me and my friends will stick to our's...

Hosts ruin their own games through their blind stupidness long before I surrender, it just takes other people a long time for people to catch up and realise it, if they ever even do...

Fleece "I am a better template maker than any corp member"

TheDukeOfDank - incredibly historically accurate scenarios, super fun to play, always include a great cast, and are always different

Kretoma - Creates freaking HUGE and GREAT scenarios that toy with unique ideas like Army Cap and teams. Amazingly fun to play, and the casts are again, brilliant.

Zeph waco - I get wet over some of his templates, like Holy Roman Empire. They are so versatile, and his style is fantastic.

xXOmegaXx - Probably my favourite template maker in the clan. He is not afraid to experiment with new ideas, like EUIV simulators, internal country struggle, tax system, external documents, and so much more. I can't put how fun his templates are into words, he puts so much effort into them!

So Fleece, you really would have to do *A LOT* to prove you can make better templates than any of these 4 guys (and other fantastic guys who aren't at the top of my head), especially Omega. I doubt any can rival his devotion and effort into his scenarios.

EDIT: Also, a huge factor that influence diplos are the cast: not the template itself. Since Fleece, you anger so many people, how can you guarantee you have a good cast when so many dislike you?

Edited 5/6/2016 14:37:32