he just playing with 2 account soo what? he is a good and he surrender to him self and did not harm any one <<<>>> so just calm down it's just a freaking game and ollier what the fuck are you still doing here i though you said you retired

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Ok RBK, please don't make a fool of yourself.

@Platinum:
Looking at your clan page 101st seems to have higher prerequisites than Lynx nowadays. Lynx doesn't have a history of kicking stallers:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/52416-congrats-dwoogee

The main fundamental policy 101st and Lynx shares is the system of recruiting players from 101st when they reach an appropiate level of play into Lynx...

All other issues and decisions are in sole discretion of the feeder/elite clans leader, So if you are thinking it is a "whatever lynx does is what 101st does thing you are wrong.

I don't know what is more harder to get my head around, AI not getting kicked out of M'Hunters even though you seem to have a core principle of fair player (no stalling) or you and your arrogant comments ;)

i dont care who cheats... Fizzer encourages it anyway by allowing alts.
If you want to stamp out cheating its simple, 1 account per isp

one player being allowed to be a "team" is no better than one player being on the ladder twice imo

I disagree. Playing with alts don't give you an advantage. A good teamate helps you discussing picks and correcting mistakes.

It's better to have a good teamate (even if you're better than him) than an alt.

For once I see Poon Squad making some real sense and good points! No offense indibob :) I always like the way you and others never seemed to take Warligh too seriously.

I wonder what it takes to teach Warlight community the meaning of "CHEATING". If system allows stalling or multi-account playing, XP-Farming, lottery, rigged games - if information is public, how on earth it is classified as cheating?

TeamGuns it only applies if you play with someone who you know and have learned to play with. In Warlight, what supports half the time occasional, team-mates you are in disadvantage playing against 1-player team. Team games with unknown team-mates brings in an interesting factor of team-communication which most of times is negatively related to winning, unless in situation described above. Why on earth would you call it Team-Game if you play against 1-player - not much of brainer, is´nt it if you think about that?

There are more than few ways to play Ladder with multiple accounts as well coin games that go pretty much undetected!

I disagree again. I don't think you have an unfair advantage playing alone, so long as the other option is a good teamate.

And only to get your argument down, my ladder teamate and I NEVER played together until we decided to join the ladder (I met him in a 1v1 game). And now I'm ranked 3rd. I can safely tell you that if I had played it with an alt I'd hardly have done that well. That's a result of a good picking discussion and intensive teamate moves checking.


If I had to play a teamgame against a good team, and I got the choice of a good teamate, even though I never played with him, or to join with an alt, I'd definetly choose the first option.

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Tranquex think it that way: it's cheating if you get an advantage on others cost. If you stall, you make another player wait on his deserved win. If you play your own account or stall, you get an undeserved higher rating and other player's rank will drop because you surpassed them. You and poonsquad obviously don't care about ranks, but i bet the top 5 of the ladders do.

Playing with a teammate who's active and on your skill level is in my opinion advantageous to playing with an alt. But to learn how stuff works, how to make picks, to measure your skills on teamgames against another player, alts are a cool feature. Alts can be used as byes on tournaments that need to start too. Alts bring fizzer often extra money with memberships or clans.

^yeap

Edited 5/17/2016 22:12:26

1 account per isp

Fair point. Comcast only has enough bandwidth to support one account anyway.

@Platinum
Let me just copy paste Ayans post

Dear thread creator and others, I got the information about AI cheating on the ladder just today and I am going to put it up for the Council's consideration! But! Not because you are crying and complaining here, but because we- M'Hunters have been always staying for good sportsmanship in games. There are some cases in our history when we voted out decent members (Michal Cucerituril, Sandy SK-CZ..) for their distracting and disrespectfull behaviour towards other players.
I also would ask you to turn to our mature and honoured Council, if you would have further complains about my awesome clan mates.

Cheers

Now, the MH council is made of 5 players, and they discuss things before any action is taken. Thus, if any action is taken by MH and what that action is it no point into speculating on the forums.

Why is stalling considered to be cheating?

It is an unethical form of gaming the system, but as far as I can tell, it is allowable within the current set of rules, which means it is, by definition, not a form of cheating.


EDIT: Also, props to MH's official response. Sorry if some of us were quick to accuse you all of not doing the due diligence of investigating the situation.

Edited 5/17/2016 22:31:39

Is threatening cats considered cheating?

Get your facts right... As soon as we heard he cheated we gave him the opportunity to defend himself.

To set the record straight, I do indeed have my facts right.


You and your clan claimed to have no knowledge of Arlecchino's cheating until I took up the issue on the forums. Whether or not you are truthful in this claim doesn't matter: at the time, he was getting away with it whatever answer you give.

After I called him out on it, the first post was deleted. I posted again. Deleted again, and Fizzer warns me to not make another post. I make a third anyway, and, finally, progress is made. I refused to back down until the issue was resolved, and it was. It never would have happened if I had not fought the issue on the forums. Thus, my facts are, in fact, right.

You claimed he was getting away with it and he was not. Until it was made public on the forum we had no knowledge of his cheating. You could have sent us a message to warn us but you never did. Within 2 days of the forum post he was banned from the clan because he refused to respond in clan chat on the matter.

You say fizzer didn't do anything until your third forum post? Maybe you should realize he can't ban anyone without having proof. Especially since there was real money involved in the matter. He could have been in serious trouble if he banned someone without proof (not to mention if he was wrong). You made 3 forum post in a day so saying he didn't take action until the 3th was made is bullshit. He does need time to find out if the allegations were true

Yeah, but you're not exposing cheaters right now. Saying "AI is a cheater" isn't news to anybody who hasn't seen the last thread, so I don't know what you're "reporting".

Instead, for some reason you think it matters to you whether M'Hunters keep a cheater in their clan or not, when it's their decision.

Shrink your ego.

It sounds like some people are forgetting that he didn't just stall, he played against his alt, which gives him a free win against an account with a decent rating. Maybe he didn't know it was cheating at the time, but when people pointed it out to him, he continued stalling and didn't withdraw from the ladder until after he was ranked, because as he himself said, he wanted to get a good ranking.

Nobody can obligate M'Hunters to do anything about it; but I think the community's free to say what they think about the matter. I have to say though, in the little experience I've had with M'Hunters, I've found them to be unusually good sports. Not too long ago they surrenedered in a 3v3 ladder game when the player with the most income from my team got booted. They made the decision themselves without any prompting from us because they felt that they were losing, and they didn't want to win because of a boot.

No one is forgetting the play against himself, that's precisely why this made a buzz. Stalling isn't a new thing and it's not at all against the rules.

MoD I understand the stalling in Ranking system. I am not against Ladders. Well ranking is meant to be taken seriously otherwise whats the point, right. But still it is not cheating and yes you get advantage on others expense. But what prevents you and everyone doing the same, nothing.
I am not saying nor proposing the stalling to be new norm, but it is just not cheating. Also I do not regard it nice game-play nor suggest anyone to practice it. Does one really want to be ranked 1. while he knows he actually "strategically" played the system against its own rules? Well as we see more than plenty practices it.

As I proposed on one other thread, 1. Trophy should not be granted for player just being ranked 1. for a second or a day, he should be able to keep it for X amount of Games or %win ratio against top 25-teams-players. I do not think it is possible to fix the rating system? ELO is best out there, but not just suited that way for Warlight concept. Deflation/inflation is not that big issue actually. I play for the game and all this fancy external stuff is just, you know external and insignificant, I think 100-200 verified player CLOT ladder would be much intriguing prestige. Community held, managed and judged! One would first need to prove his worthy playing there. As long as Warlight offers such Custom features there is place for me here!

About the team-games. Yes as I said its true in this sense. And probably mostly in Ladder form yes, but ladder is probably 10% of warlight games (random guess). In most games with average players, 1-player Team beats multi-player team often due to the communication order co-ordination issue, which one player can organize much efficiently. And as far as we know Fizzer is not making 10% players game, he is out there for the masses and especially when waright is slightly growing at least in numbers of new accounts registered.