Drone operators tend to have almost as much guilt as other kinds of soldiers, so even long range killing is occasionally as bad.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.


I didn't say a word about government, but air is truly communist-owned. See how it's dealt with.


I was talking to Teamguns.

We must eliminate air! It is dirty and socialist!

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.

Not at all talking about the history of it.

Business owners that are fouling the air are not caring a drop about humanity's progress, and hurt folk - it's estimated that CO2 in the air kills more for each joule than all the other kinds of manmade energy combined.

lol at ppl who dont like the us hegemony

when its gone ull all beg for the good ol days

ya, your hedges are the best.

can i buy? before theyre out of stock? pls?

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How does Co2 kill? If anything, it's given the earth more time to live, the earth was most likely going to lose life in two million years if humans hadn't rereleased more Co2 into the atmosphere.

@MSGB go read up on global warming.

Go read up on how global warming isn't some insane badness that will wipe out all life.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Main_symptoms_of_carbon_dioxide_toxicity.svg;
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/CO_toxicity_symptoms_%28en%29.jpg

In the early days of the Shoa, they killed Jews by locking them up in a lorry and left it running.

Earth will lose life in 15,000 years, and all the CO2 and global warming won't really touch a toe of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

CO is way more poisonous, though.

0.32% air concentration: death in 30 minutes.
1.28% air concentration: unconciousness in 2-3 breaths, death in 3> minutes.

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Ok, society evolved. And it can evolve again. It's as easy as that.

That's the thing, society can keep evolving, but if someone breaks it apart, the human terrible part can still come back.

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.

Industrialization and capitalism aren't bad things by themselves, the bad is in the unintended consequences of each.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly.

The gvt can establish a monopoly, and it does. Most gvt have the monopoly of justice, security and armed forces. But it isn't the only power that can create monopolies.

Go and read about standart oil and rockefeller. In 1904, Standard controlled 91 percent of production and 85 percent of final sales.

And then this: The evidence is, in fact, absolutely conclusive that the Standard Oil Co. charges altogether excessive prices where it meets no competition, and particularly where there is little likelihood of competitors entering the field, and that, on the other hand, where competition is active, it frequently cuts prices to a point which leaves even the Standard little or no profit, and which more often leaves no profit to the competitor, whose costs are ordinarily somewhat higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil


Also for the CO2 saving life thing, that's a non-sense. Darwinist views of evolution proves that somewhat life will survive, millions of species might go extinct bc of a mass extinction era, but some species will always survive. Mars was once a planet full of life, most of it is gone now, but there's still bacteria and monocelular life in Mars, waiting for something to happen so it can flourish again.

If a factory produces so much Co2 that folk start getting sick and dying in the area, so do the workers and that makes it unprofitable to the owner, since the factory is permanently shut down when it's running.

Plants flourish when there's higher levels of C02 in the atmosphere.

Mars was once a planet full of life

No it wasn't. Or at the very least, you have no evidence for it.

If a factory produces so much Co2 that folk start getting sick and dying in the area, so do the workers and that makes it unprofitable to the owner, since the factory is permanently shut down when it's running.

Yea, that works in china uh?

No it wasn't. Or at the very least, you have no evidence for it.

There is strong evidence showing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars


But again that's mostly under research still, but we found life there in the celular form already.

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Well, that's false.

Here's the facts: Global warming is occurring. As such the environment in which organisms are living is being rapidly changed. This rapid change shoves some critical organisms within an ecosystem into a zone of intolerance, in which it cannot survive leading to its extinction in that habitat(Congrats, a full dead species every time this happens). The disappearance of said organism disrupts the ecosystem's cycle of energy, killing off those dependent on said organism for food, and allowing the one's it preyed on to rapidly expand in population, which throws the entire ecosystem out of wack, and changes it, but this change is now so rapid the organisms cannot adopt in time survive. This in turn leads to more extinctions, which cycles through the ecosystem yet again. Basically mass extinction is such a system is becoming cyclical, and allowing for more invasive species to arise as former blockers to their spread are removed, which results in the ending of native species, and so on towards more extinctions. It is theoretically possible that if global warming increases enough that the earth would approach temperatures seen on Venus, which would obviously wipe out life on Earth. As we stand, its highly likely that at this point what we are doing is effectively damage control. I never claimed it was going to kill off everything, and I currently believe that world leaders can band together to stop such an event from occurring. However, I believe that it is highly likely that global warming has already caused some extinctions, and will most likely lead to many more. On top of that, global warming heats the average temperature of the sea, which leads to more hurricanes, and as such more dead people. There's probably more damage just beyond that, but its a pretty good starting point for wiping out all life.
http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
Yeah, if a mass cycle of species extinctions isn't killing a bunch of things, I don't know what is.

Standard Oil could compete better than the other competitors, so why disband it?

That's the thing, society can keep evolving, but if someone breaks it apart, the human terrible part can still come back.

Maybe you're right, but it seems like there is already some way to break society, but it's not done often, as it's not good in a holistic way.

If a factory produces so much Co2 that folk start getting sick and dying in the area

It's not just in the area, it's very hard to convict, and in short: this never happens. Thank the government for thinking ahead - China is the leader in alternate energies, but wouldn't have happened without government meddling. Any environmental regulations - thank the government for them.

In many areas, producers that refused to sell received death threats, had their oil cut off from the refinaries (transportation was under standart oil) and many other criminal things. Standart oil didn't compete better than it's competitors, it literally killed the competition.

BUT SURE, THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME!

Standard Oil could compete better than the other competitors, so why disband it?
I dunno, maybe because they literally controlled so much of the market that they could set the price of oil, and no one could contest that?

Here's the facts: I never said global warming isn't occurring.

Your entire argument is predicated on Global Warming , one, being such a sudden change that it will start killing off species, and two, that it is going to be worse than it has been throughout history, which it won't be. The earth has been much hotter and much more Co2 filled than now.

Communism and capitalism can ultimately be said as a debate between (forced) cooperation and competition. Competition has drive, but can often tragically take lives away, often pointlessly, while cooperation pretty much is way better, but promotes one way of thinking and doesn't really have drive.

However, those species had literally millions of years to adapt. The rate of increase today is just way too dramatic, there has never been in global history where at the very least temperature has risen by 1 Kelvin in a span of 200ish years(some scientist think we have already hit 2 Kelvin). It's not the temperature, but rather the rate of change of the environment that is probably going to lead to a mass extinction.