http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gary-johnson-wins-libertarian-nomination-president/story?id=39462969

Austin Petersen was a cool bloke , young and all, I think he would have been better, but Johnson is still miles ahead of either Trump or Clinton in most categories(except authoritarianism).

Im happy with Johnson, hes a good man who served New Mexico well. I am going to hit the streets for him. Smedly, lets pray to god he gets above 11%.


I hope Peterson gets VP, I kinda liked him.

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Lmao that question about the Civil Rights Act at the convention. Can't believe y'all think you've got a shot at being one of the two big parties.

who CARES

he aint getting SHIT

no PRESIDENT

no VP

NOTHING

Hah, you will wish we won when you are drafted into military service by Clinton or Trump.

I think I might make a unique perk list for H. Clinton against G. Johnson against D. Trump. Frankly, I don't really like Johnson, I rather have Sanders. And of course, J. Stein. Frankly, these 3 that I said, they're my least liked so far. Stein and Sanders, woohoo. But Trump is by far the worst.

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Well yeah but you want those two only because they'll bring down the US economy. Admittedly, that'd be pretty good though.

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Points resulting in direct or near-direct deaths. Top is good, bottom is bad.

Clinton:
*For giving foreign attackers American constitutional rights.
*Against wielding torture as only punishment.
*For mandatory vaccinations.
*For strict background, mind and training checks to buy a gun.
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*For airstriking, but not sending footsoldiers, to fight Mashriq.
*For forcefully stopping Russia from airstriking Mashriq.
*For overthrowing Assad as long as America is not alone (that is, w/ NATO).

Johnson:
*For warring Mashriq if they do an attack on American homeland.
*Against drone warfare except in wars heavily involving America.
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*For gun regulations only for retards and crimers.


Trump:
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*For sending back all Syrian refugees and not taking any more in.
*For sending footsoldiers to fight Mashriq.
*For torture in order to get knowledge.
*For less gun regulations.

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Points resulting in indirect or possibility of deaths. Top is good, bottom is bad.

Clinton:
*For greatening foreign help spending right away.
*For legalising most drugs.
*Against greatening offshore petrol digging.
*For giving tax lowerings and loans for windpower and other clean powers.
*Against hydraulic cracking.
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*Against mandating that GMOs should be labelled as such.

Johnson:
*For legalising all drugs for fun.
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*For greatening foreign help spending when American debt is greatly lowered.
*Against healthcare funding for low-income folk.
*For hydraulic cracking, but with more overwatch.

Trump:
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*For greatening military spending.
*Against legalising any more drugs than already for fun.
*For hydraulic cracking, without any needed overwatch.

Big inconvenience:

Clinton:
*For government-paid healthcare.
*Against limiting the right to sue.
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*For mandating private businesses to hire based on skinhues, sex, gender.

Johnson:
*Against the government ever taking private stuff or land without permit.
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Trump:
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*For actively hunting down and taking away all the illegally immigrating.
*For lowering the amount of work visas given.
*For barring all Muslims from entering the country.
*Against abortions except in case of rape, incest, or hazard to mother/child.
*Against government-funding of any abortions.

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*Against abortions except in case of rape, incest, or hazard to mother/child.
*Against government-funding of any abortions.

These aren't negatives, they're positives. If I actually believed Trump was commitedly Pro-Life, it would greatly boost my likeliness to vote for him. However, as with most of Trump's stances, it's hard to tell what he really believes. Will he actually crack down on Abortion? Possibly, quite possibly not. It's probably somewhere below "Build a Wall and make Mexico pay for it" on his to-do list.

These aren't negatives, they're positives.

The first, maybe you're against abortions, but you should still be against it to not be hypocritic - rape does not justify killing someone, nor at all does incest. And for the second, for any abrotions. Most everyone believes that there should be some exceptions to abortions.

rape does not justify killing someone, nor at all does incest.

Obviously. And, unpopular as it is, I do not support abortion in cases of rape or incest. I believe Abortion should be an emergency medical procedure that's used to save the mother's life. If both mother and child can come out alive, that is for the better.

That being said. I would sooner support someone who says they will stop some abortions, than someone who says they would not stop any of them.

Most everyone believes that there should be some exceptions to abortions.

I agree, but the times abortion is used should be rare exceptions and not the rule. If it's to preserve the mother, that's fine. If it's because "I don't wanna", that is not fine at all.

^ Were we separated at birth?

two lovers just found each other in admiration for wanting to force women to give birth to give life to a a child that's not wanted

fabulous.

also smedley

draft aint gonna happen under trump or clinton

Edited 5/30/2016 04:54:29

why should the usa let in more refugees anyway

it our choice

Edited 5/30/2016 04:55:05

They're going to be throwing us into more wars, definitely a possibility.

The exact points you make about Trump/Clinton being good/bad are interpreted by me (and others) as the opposite, and at this point we both know nothing we say will ever change each other's point of view.

Funny how this world works.

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*For mandatory vaccinations.

It's way too big of a power for the government to be able to force you to take whatever medicine they want you to. Say that they used it to kill off all african americans, or to mass sterilize, or to abort all pregnancies.

*Against hydraulic cracking.

Fracking accounts for around half of all us oil production (49%), and since the US is the largest oil producer in the world, It's pretty dumb to be against it.

*Against mandating that GMOs should be labelled as such.

Wow, this is bad somehow?

*Against abortions except in case of rape, incest, or hazard to mother/child.
*Against government-funding of any abortions.

Any sources for this? AFAIK Trump is totally pro-abortion.

*For actively hunting down and taking away all the illegally immigrating.

Honestly yes this is bad for the economy, but if you support sanders you're obviously not concerned about this.

And the whole thing is probably just populism anyway. Taking away 11 million people knocks something like 2% out of the US economy, and I doubt trump is dumb enough to not realize this.

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It's way too big of a power for the government to be able to force you to take whatever medicine they want you to. Say that they used it to kill off all african americans, or to mass sterilize, or to abort all pregnancies.

That's not what vaccines do, axiomatically. And frankly, I'll take the risk of government killing off all African Americans, since that's not what's happening in other countries with vaccinations against illnesses, but it is stopping some faithful nut from infecting and killing everybody with his contagious illness since "it's against one's faith", or to cripple one's children, since "it's against one's faith". And tell me where it's even written in the Book or Reading that vaccines are not allowed? They weren't even founded back then.

Fracking accounts for around half of all us oil production (49%), and since the US is the largest oil producer in the world, It's pretty dumb to be against it.

Who cares? Make the folk great, not the country. I thought of this parable: Trump wants to make America great, Sanders wants to make Americans great, but that's not really true, either way, though.

Hydraulic cracking is a very hazardous but hard-to-trace deed that could have killed very many folk already, just so that some folk get richer since it's happening.

Wow, this is bad somehow?

You're against the labelling of foods and poisons and their health risks?

*Against abortions except in case of rape, incest, or hazard to mother/child.
*Against government-funding of any abortions.



Any sources for this? AFAIK Trump is totally pro-abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/01/mike-huckabee-defends-donald-trumps-abortion-conversion-he-is-pro-life-now/

Honestly yes this is bad for the economy, but if you support sanders you're obviously not concerned about this.

Who cares? I don't care about the economy, I care about folk's freedom of movement, and not pretty much twofold standards for those who are American denizens, and those who aren't.