There's been lots of real politics, so how about fake politics. A bit old, but meh, better than the constant stream of American Election.

Who do you support? The nationalist and supremacist Ulfric Stormcloak or the imperial general Tullius?

General Tullius: 6

Ulfric Stormcloak: 2

Edited 6/10/2016 17:51:02

I like generals, they get shit done. Going with Tullius

At least Imperialists can be cool


Tullius

Well Ulfric, mind you, was a soldier too. And came home from a long war to Dark Elves and beast-folk living in Skyrim and his god(Talos, a bloke who founded the empire, and then became a god by mimicking the god so well that the universe just treated him as that god) being banned. I'd figure he'd go right with the altright.

(For anyone confused by this, this is about Elder Scrolls Skyrim. I thought most folk wouldn't post if they didn't know the characters anyway, so I didn't bother to say.)

General Tullius. I sympathize somewhat with Ulfric, but a vote for him is a vote to get wrecked by the High Elf nazis.

The Empire is the only choice.

Jarl Ulfric. Skyrim had a ton of awful High Kings iirc before he tried to step up.

It's a big gray area though ; religious discrimination or racial discrimination is the real hole. Talos had a pretty cruddy amulet and shrine bonus, but his legend means a lot and is deeply embedded in the Nords, so I'd have to think one people's cultural history matters a lot.

It kind of says a lot on real conflicts.

I have to go with Ulfric.

While in the political sense, the empire and Tullius are right, you have to look at it from the biggest picture possible, at the theological level. The Thalmor didn't ban Talos worship because he was human, they banned it because he mantled Lorkhan, the Aedra that is responsible for tricking the Aedra into creating Mundus, and the reason that the Thalmor are mortal, and they hate all of that. Their plan is to stop all worship of Talos, that would destroy Lorkhan and therefore all of Mundus, mortality and existence. Lorkhan, is effectively dead (as in Atheism style dead, non-aware, not really a thing), and the reason Talos is around is because he's mantled Lorkhan. His existence comes from the belief of his followers in him. The Thalmor don't need to fight a second war against the empire for this, they just need to keep grinding away at Talos worship. An independent, Talos worshipping state is exactly what would put a wrench in the Altmeri plans.

Tullius, and not because I just helped him kill Ulfric today. The Empire is not Racist. They ban the worship of a man, that's it.

Yes, and if the worship of that man stops, all of existence stops, because he is effectively Lorkhan.

Empire pointlessly bans worship, but Ulfric holds understandable skepticism towards racial equality. Imo Ulfric is completely justified and more sensible.

I think I'm gonna stick with general Tullius, I like the Roman Empire, and the Empire looks a lot like it, so, that's my choice in Skyrim most of the time lol

I like how no one really disputes that if Talos worship stops, Mundus ceases to be. Though DDB disputes his godhood, even though it is shown in Morrowind that he is indeed godly.

"To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit." - Altmeri Commentary on Talos

Ulfric, the Empire can't even defend herself, how could she defend Skyrim? Our own kin are being dragged from their homes kicking and screaming for simply believing in Talos, all because the Empire doesn't have the balls to stop them. The fact the Rebellion even got anywhere is prove enough the Empire is doomed. I don't care if you think Ulfric is racist, because while he may force them into slums, he doesn't kick the Dark Elves or the Argonians out, now does he? I've played through Skyrim almost 20 times, and every time I've sided with the Stormcloaks, execpt once, where I played Imperial until the Jagged Crown, which I went and gave it to Ulfric instead. Because I just can't serve that Thalmor Finger puppet Tullius.

The empire is in no way a puppet of the dominion. Though the Talos ban is in effect, the empire doesn't enforce it or aid the Thalmor in enforcing it. Many legates are also closet Talos worshippers. And you can't blame the empire for not knowing how bad this would get with existence ceasing if Talos worship stops, unless the emperor plainly doesn't care about the Thalmor going through with their plans that would result in the end of the existence of Mundus.

General Tullius ftw

1- Ulfric is an elven spy

2- Empire banned Talos. boo-fuckin-hoo cry me a river, they were not even enforcing the ban! There is a statue of Talos right in the middle of the FUCKING WHITERUN also a jackshit priest who NEVER shuts up.

3- Elfnazis vs Shattered and infighting states or 1 giant , united EMPIRE

4- You would be happy in Skyrim under ulfshit unless.... you are a Orc,Khajiit,Argonian,Dunmer,Bosmer etc.. you get the point.

Edited 6/10/2016 17:20:13

1: Jarl Ulfric was tortured by the Thalmor once, and shared useless intel

2: You, like everyone else, forgets the Thalmor goal

3: Their goal of non-existence of creation shouldn't ever be furthered.

4: Yeah, but those folk wouldn't like it if they just stopped existing. They'd probably dislike it more.

Edited 6/10/2016 17:50:36

None! Let the Dark Brotherhood rise again!

fuck both, join the empire and crush the stormcloaks then kill the emperor.

Screw that, if we're talking about cults, I'm going to form a cult for Hermaeus Mora. He's one of the few Daedra that isn't trying to kill you indirectly in Skyrim, and he actually needs you, because he isn't omnipotent, but actively quests for knowledge because it's in his nature.

I, the baron of Alaska, support the exploration of North America.