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The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:05:57


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He was in hiding?
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:06:24


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It was? My mistake. Still, I stand by my original point. Obviously we can't ban everything, and no method is going to 100% prevent future attacks, but we can at-least reduce the chances of this repeating.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:10:11


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Exactly how is religious freedom suppressed?

As for guns, there is zero justification for needing to own an assault rifle. Automatic, semi automatic. It doesn't matter. No need to own one. Zero.

Edited 6/13/2016 02:12:14
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:18:00


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Also, you need a background check as thorough as one to become a federal agent, to acquire automatic weapons. And last I checked, they put a freeze on getting new machine guns. You could get a Maxim Machine gun though, without any checks.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:20:51


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TL;DR everything, but he did have a bomb and handgun too, and homemade bombs in nightclubs can do just as much damage as am assault rifle. Don't blame the weapon, blame the ideology.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:21:56


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The bombs weren't used though. Garbage excuse.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:22:58


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As for guns, there is zero justification for needing to own an assault rifle. Automatic, semi automatic. It doesn't matter. No need to own one. Zero.

It must be an individual weapon
It must be capable of selective fire
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine
And it should have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards)


AR-15s (the variant used by the shooter at least) aren't select fire and therefore aren't assault rifles.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:23:22

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TL;DR everything, but he did have a bomb and handgun too, and homemade bombs in nightclubs can do just as much damage as am assault rifle. Don't blame the weapon, blame the ideology.
I would blame both the weapon and the ideology just saying. As without one or the other, this doesn't occur.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:23:25


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If he had used bombs, in a crowded place, it would do comparable damage. Look at Boston.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:25:41


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Semantics. No need to own semi automatic weaponry. Period.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:26:50


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You guys thinking you can get rid of gas and bombs in any modern society is purely ridiculous. It's incredibly easy to make them, and with parts and ingredients available at many convince and hardware stores. You can even make guns with parts from hardware stores.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:26:54


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PE, Boston bombing had 3 fatalities. A tad lower than 50...
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:30:27


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Semantics. No need to own semi automatic weaponry. Period.

Not semantics, it's the actual definition. You know what a definition is, right? And if you're going to disarm the populace, you better disarm the military. If no one needs a semi-automatic rifle, then no one needs A-10s for sure. Even though semi-automatic rifles are useful for hunting and self-defense.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:32:25

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You guys thinking you can get rid of gas and bombs in any modern society is purely ridiculous. It's incredibly easy to make them, and with parts and ingredients available at many convince and hardware stores. You can even make guns with parts from hardware stores.
Homemade equipment generally doesn't have the quality necessary to function as well as the military-grade equipment that people literally own in the US today. If you even have the knowledge and skills to make a semi-auto from hardware parts, odds are that the gun made by you won't last the 100+ bullets needed to induce such a shoot-out without malfunctioning.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:35:58

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And if you're going to disarm the populace, you better disarm the military. If no one needs a semi-automatic rifle, then no one needs A-10s for sure. Even though semi-automatic rifles are useful for hunting and self-defense. The Military needs A-10s mostly to fight other country's air forces, While I am all for reducing the size of the military and demilitarizing the police, this another potential derail, so lets stay on topic. Semi-autos are useful for hunting?, a basic non-repeating rifle works just as well, self-defense? unless you have an armed criminal gang, the non-repeating rifle or handgun works again.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:35:59


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PE, Boston bombing had 3 fatalities. A tad lower than 50...

It was also only like 1(2?) explosions, in an open space. Half a dozen in a crowded night club would be different. Plus, if they had a handgun too...
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:37:05


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I DON UNDA STAN U

SPEK WACO
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:37:17


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http://www.guns.com/2013/04/29/richardsons-philippine-guerrilla-gun-a-gun-to-get-a-gun/

These were guns to get guns. Shoot a police officer/soldier, and grab his gun. And these would still be useful in mass shootings, since you could replicate that tactic.
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:39:12


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So if the FBI investigates you, which takes no court order or evidence of any crime being committed, what other civil rights should you lose?
The Orlando mass shooting: 2016-06-13 02:49:55


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The Military needs A-10s mostly to fight other country's air forces

A-10s are ground attack planes, only realistically useful for the US in invading other countries.

Semi-autos are useful for hunting?, a basic non-repeating rifle works just as well

What in god's name is a non-repeating rifle? A gun that fires once and breaks?

self-defense? unless you have an armed criminal gang, the non-repeating rifle or handgun works again.

Yeah, the US does have armed gangs. Lots of them in fact. Do you even know what Chicago is?
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