ok... where to begin?

First of all, I should point out that this is a laughably absurd decision with no precedent at all. The decision makers who have decided on this have made several key errors. The errors being so egregious that it's really not unfair to assume they are being less than above board with their dealings on this decision. I will get to that information and why collusion with members of Outlaw clan is fairly obvious later. Let's start with some of the absurdity of detail that they feel they can hide behind.

First of all, the stated numbers are wrong. There are 4 (count them, 4) members of 101st CL8 team that are currently playing for Outlaws. Of the total roster, that constitutes 44%. Seriously, they used 44% of a disgrunteled clan league roster deserting their clan as a justification to take our spot away from us, which brings me to my next point.

There is no precedent to this. Let me remind everyone that AT NO TIME EVER BEFORE has clan league ever removed a clan from it's spot for less than 50%. They point to a lot of past decisions that have been made, but fail to make the connection the bar has never been this low. In fact in private conversations, MOTD even tried to pretend that there was no rule or precedent for this kind of situation, which is so patently absurd, that I immediately begin to question his honesty in dealings with me.

Thirdly, I find it telling that this committee has decided who "deserves" the spot. On that, they are extremely out of bounds. How many times in a professional sports game do the referees determine who "deserves" the win. Obviously they don't because they understand their role. Their role is to enforce the rules to ensure fair play. In this case clan league leadership is bending the rules, making it up as they go along, with vague promises that they "might come up with a rule in the future". Even if they do develop a rule in the future, it will do no good as they have demonstrated a willingness to break their own rules.

One thing that is significant is the why. What motivates this committee to blatantly disregard rules and precedent to decide who "deserves" the spot? I'm not sure, but I can tell you one thing. There was another person who used the word "deserve" with me in private chats quite a lot. That was Platinum. I find it telling to hear words and whole phrases right out of Plat's handbook being used in the official committee decision. Very telling indeed. One other point to raise is that if anyone's been following the forums, the Outlaws have been referring to that spot as theirs for weeks now. With confidence. Even their clan homepage has been advertising for weeks "building a clan league division A team". Supposedly, this decision was reached yesterday. The idea that this decision was reached yesterday is an obvious falsehood. Supposedly, no members of the committee coluded with members from Outlaws. Supposedly.

In conclusion, I reject this decision. I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm not appealing it. I flat out reject it as an attempt of outright theft. This is clan league and the spot belongs to 101st clan. Any committee that says otherwise just undermines their own credibility. I don't actually direct this to the clan league officials. They have already proved their lack of credibility, their lack of impartiality, and their collusion with members of the Outlaw clan. I appeal rather to the clans that make up clan league. Is this the behavior that we are going to tolerate of our clan league officials? Blatant partiality and collusion? Are clan league officials now deciding who "deserves" to be in which divisions? Are the referees now deciding who deserves to win games?

Disappointed... Would have hoped there could have been an agreement to have the right players play in the right spot, as well as the right clan in the right spot.

Disappointed because I, as well as many others within 101st feel like we have at least a handful of players that would be up to the challenge of div A.

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You stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in A next season.

101st playing in A would be laughable and a waste of your time. It'd also be demoralizing to the members of 101st to get so heavily bodied in every tournament.

CL5, when 101st stayed in A, and Lynx started back at the bottom - was a mistake. The only tournament where 101st won even half of the games was the one I played in. I went 4-2 in strat 1v1 in CL A. 101st had no business being in A. It has even less business being in A right now than it did then.

Your 4 members nonsense is also, wrong.

Here's who played for 101st, and where they are now:

Platinum - Outlaws
Jinxed - 101st - inactive for over 3 months
Panagiotis - Masters
Tac(ky)tical - Outlaws
MarkusBM - Outlaws
TeamGuns - Outlaws
Marceline - clanless
Bonsai - Outlaws
Benoit - VS


"There are 4 (count them, 4) members of 101st CL8 team that are currently playing for Outlaws."

Bonsai - Outlaws
Tac(ky)tical - Outlaws
MarkusBM - Outlaws
TeamGuns - Outlaws
Platinum - Outlaws

I'm counting them. I'm not coming up with 4. Especially since that's 5 out of 9, which is 56%, and in fact not:


"There is no precedent to this. Let me remind everyone that AT NO TIME EVER BEFORE has clan league ever removed a clan from it's spot for less than 50%."

There are in fact, 0 out of the 9 people that got 101st to A, that would play for them next league. No one who would play for 101st next season earned a thing in CL.

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"Disappointed because I, as well as many others within 101st feel like we have at least a handful of players that would be up to the challenge of div A. "

To believe that is delusional. There is not 1 single player left in 101st that played in B to get them to A. The only people in 101st capable of competing in A are alts of Lynx players.

101st would come dead last in B, forget about A.

Edited - I said some things in the heat of the moment that I no longer stand by.

I'm upset with this decision - that's all that I want to say on this.

Edited 10/19/2016 06:18:06

"The mission of 101st has always been crystal clear - it’s a training academy for Lynx."

Really?

So you're training blowfly so that he can join Lynx? You better get on that, I sense a lot of work ahead of you.

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Ok, all other things aside...

Why in hell would then CL organizers/panel allow Lynx training academy to play the same division as Lynx?

As far as I'm concerned Lynx is upset they lost their puppet. They'd have gotten two votes for templates rather than one had 101st been in A. That'd allow them to largely control the clan league.

We'd like to apologize for becoming better than just "Lynx B" through absolutely no help of the Lynx players, which is why we left in the first place. Quicksilver's post is complete revisionist history since we exhausted every option over months of talks with Lynx to find a situation where we would stay and everyone would be happy.

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You stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in A next season.
101st playing in A would be laughable and a waste of your time.

And now a spectator has determined which team "deserved" to win.

@Nauzhror:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/171558-clan-league-8-retirements?Offset=60

Outlaws have confirmed that Tac(ky)tical has retired. His account is being used by Edge, Styxie and a few other people right now. Tac(ky)tical, Jinxed and Marceline have retired while Benoit left to join VS and Panagiotis left to join Masters. Thus, we have Platinum, TeamGuns, Bonsai and Markus remaining as part of the original 101st CL rooster, which is 44%.


Whether 101st or Outlaws is better is a subjective argument. Ultimately the respect/aura a clan has gained does not contribute to the division they start in; all clans start from the bottom, and work their way up. Whether the current 101st is competent for Group A is irrelevant.

The main thing is that the spot belongs to the CLAN. This is CLAN wars, not a battle of individuals. If individuals swap clans throughout the competition, that's fine, but the CLAN itself is the one that retains its spot throughout. People like Miyagi are a perfect example; part of Masters clan, but representing Apex because Apex chose to put him in their roster; that does not mean Miyagi has any claim whatsoever to the Apex CLAN slot.

Have you met Nauz? Lol

That's your response to your entire argument being trashed? Best you can come back with as a retort? Pitiful. Go be a good boy and run back to Zero so he can tell you how to respond.

You're his bitch boy. The clan's nothing but a puppet, and he pulls your strings. Tells you who to recruit, uses you, but wouldn't ever actually promote you to Lynx, because, alas you're not good enough.

There's a whole lot of people in 101st that aren't good enough. Lynx is aware of this, the clan doesn't really have one purpose and one purpose only like Quicksilver attempted to claim. To argue otherwise is asinine, as there's only a handful of people in 101st at best that anyone in Lynx would spend time training 1 on 1 with the expectation that they'd ever improve enough to join Lynx.

Even not counting Tactical, and making it be 44%, that's still 44% more than the # of people left in 101st. Jinxed doesn't count, sorry, he's basically clanless, since he's been inactive for months, and cannot be reliably considered as part of 101st's CL9 lineup.

And hey, maybe Tactical wouldn't have decided to quit had you not been an absolute scumbag?

I don't consider you a friend of anyone, you're a selfish prick who uses people. You damn well knew what you were doing was scummy when you decided to log into someones skype account and dig through their private messages. But you didn't care, because you never give a shit about anyone but yourself.

You won't promote Forgotten Knight, because he's not good enough, but you'll lead him on, let him think he might be eventually, and use him as a puppet till he realizes.

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"as part of the original 101st CL rooster, which is 44%."

I'm really hoping ZeroBlindDragon tells us more about his clan league rooster.
really, really hoping.

Meanwhile! In the Hydra headquarters.....

That's your response to your entire argument being trashed? Best you can come back with as a retort? Fucking pitiful. Go be a good boy and run back to Zero so he can tell you how to respond.

You're his bitch boy. The clan's nothing but a fucking puppet, and he pulls your strings. Tells you who to recruit, uses you, but wouldn't ever actually promote you to Lynx, because, alas you're not good enough.

Dude, settle down. The counter argument you provided can be equally divided into inaccurate and irrelevant. There wasn't really anything worth responding to.

As far as your feelings about me in relation to Zero, I suppose that you're entitled to your opinion, but I doubt anyone who sees us interact on a daily basis would agree with it.

I can't get over how personal this is to you. Why is this so personal to you? Why do you feel the need to lash out at me personally? What have I ever done to you? Is this your common response to someone disagreeing with you?

Is it personal to you that you didn't get something you didn't earn in any way whatsoever? Or are you always this entitled? It might explain why you're so bad if you just expect to get things handed to you without earning them.

"As far as your feelings about me in relation to Zero, I suppose that you're entitled to your opinion, but I doubt anyone who sees us interact on a daily basis would agree with it.
"

I was in the Lynx/101st skype chat daily for many many months, I've seen the way Zero interacts with everyone. He treats people as if they are expendable objects.

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