who is he?
Seems its only outlaws and the CL panel that thinks the spot should go to outlaws.

Edited 10/16/2016 09:05:49

I'm just waiting for the council to rename the "League of Clans" into the "People's League".
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It would be nice if everyone could follow outlaw's example and not post drama on this thread.

Yes, of course MoD. Nauzhror is totally not related nor affiliated to Outlaws in any way. I absolutely believe you. /s

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Edited 10/16/2016 10:32:13

It would be nice if everyone could follow outlaw's example and not post drama on this thread.

Seems its only outlaws and the CL panel that thinks the spot should go to outlaws.

I can ensure you, that's not the case

Hello

Seems its only outlaws and the CL panel that thinks the spot should go to outlaws.

You truly see no possible disadvantage for GG with the 101st/Lynx clan playing in your division?
- Would you be cool with the 101st/Lyns clan dominating the template votes?
- Would you be cool with Lynx players using their alts to play for the 101st?
- Is there are possiblity of some interest conflicts for the 101st/Lynx clan?

As for german football (soccer) teams, if the first team plays in the first league, then their second team is allowed to play at max in the 3rd league. If they would promote, another team gets their promotion spot.

A disadvantage of a big clan like M'Hunters is that not everybody who would be willing to play can get a spot in our team. The 101st/Lynx clan doesn't have this problem. This gives me the idea of forming an "M'Hunters division 2" clan where some of our members can dump alts, just to play in the clan league.

@mod - ofc i know its not the case, should have writting the majority of which ive seen in different chats.

@Norman - The consequences by given the spot to 101st i wouldnt have liked either as u mentioned above, but that i havnt commented on either. The question is very simple, does a given spot belong to:
A - players
B - THE clan
I personally would say B. I know that rule u are referring to its the same in Spain. And a similar thing could have been used here. Leaving 101st in B. I only said I dont think the spot belongs the players before the clan.

It is an outragous decision to give the spot to outlaws. I am not going to play next time knowing Nack and Buns can leave turtles and take our spot just becouse they are liked more then the others. Clan League was hitting rock bottom for some time but now it s a final exaggeration.

I am not playing next season

Edited 10/16/2016 10:18:12

I also strongly disagree with the decision made by the council.

I am boycotting next season as well unless the council changes their mind.

just becouse they are liked more then the others

You do realize how much of an insult that is I hope? There's a panel of people breaking their heads over this decision; a panel that knows more about the situation than you. And after they discuss the issue thoroughly and come up with the logical conclusion, they only concluded that because they liked outlaws more?

faraaaaaaaaah

You do realize how much of an insult that is I hope?

That is the least of the insults I could use in the situation.
For me they are either partial or stupid. (or both)

All was said before.

The rules are to protect thouse from 101 who are less popuar then Outlaws who stole their place.

The rules doesn't say anything about such situation? This is bad becouse it is not the first time this thing happens. Also the rules doesn't say that the concil can't kick out a clan they don't like. Does that mean they can?

I would like to remind you guys, that with the new CLOT system, if a clan does good, he will basically play in division C. It's not like 101st has to play 5 seasons just to get to B again.

ah sure that changes everything. fine then. thank you captain MoD :)

lol, how so? the point is not where they might start? the point is with this verdict, the players now decide in which league the clans should play in!

To call the panel corrupt, stupid and other words, its beyond what can be accepted. And shouldnt be said at all!

Edited 10/16/2016 11:34:22

I didn't say it makes 101st happy, but it's not as bad as it would be without the effort the cl panel puts into this. Calling them corrupt or stupid is just completely off.

"Yes, of course MoD. Nauzhror is totally not related nor affiliated to Outlaws in any way. I absolutely believe you."

In whicth way is nauz related to outlaws?

it seems Lynx / GG/ FRENCH /ICELANDIC TURTLES/ AND EVEN 1 in Master are not agree with decision Council!! so more than half of the clans in div A!
we are all stupid? or it s only logic?

+1 sultan and Timon and all those who boycotts this unfair decision!
i will do the same! i won t play next season!

Edited 10/16/2016 13:36:57

I think that if the situation was a clan migration out of respect and like the Lynx migration, was just all the strategic players leaving, and thus the entire roster, that would be ok. But instead one of the members had a hissy fit, left the clan with some of his minions, and like Forgotten Knight said, 44% of the roster. Outrageous.

Edit: Like Nex said, Hydra took almost 100% of the active players on the CL7 rosters of Illuminati and AWF, and it was almost harder for us to get the spot.

Edited 10/16/2016 12:20:50

I've decided to take a side and here's my (not so) humble opinion.

1) The Rosters

You stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in A next season.

Who cares? LEA stood absolutely 0% chance of coming anything but dead last in C this season. Doesn't mean we have to change clans based on our opinions, instead of allowing things to naturally happen.

Platinum - Outlaws
Jinxed - 101st - inactive for over 3 months
Panagiotis - Masters
Tac(ky)tical - Outlaws
MarkusBM - Outlaws
TeamGuns - Outlaws
Marceline - clanless
Bonsai - Outlaws
Benoit - VS

Nauz pointed out how 5/9 players here are Outlaws. He very conveniently leaves out Kantos, who just so happens to be in 101st. This makes 50% of the roster an Outlaws roster. Now, let's look at CL6, CL7 and CL8, and see which rosters have changed by more than 50%.

Blitz CL7 - CL8

Wakanari               Wakanari
Linberson              Linberson
KKND                   KKND
Grosshandlaren         GiantFrog
Jefferspin             awesomeusername
Quicksand              Wini
#QB                    Wolly
                       pip

Blitz had a big portion of their clan move to Masters (similar to the 101st-Outlaws amount), yet nothing changed in this scenario. It seems awfully inconsistent.

Icelandic Turtles CL6 - CL7

Master Turtle          BlacKnight
BlacKnight             USA Biches
DanWL                  Nackickwind
Word Walker            Buns157
Wowso                  Wohoo
Judeburger             Sultan Kosmitow
nagromo                
Gespacio

1/6 players in CL7 was the same as in CL6. Even Master Turtle moved roster, and the 1 that stayed played in 2 of the tournaments, compared to USA, Nack, Buns, Wohoo, and Sultan, who all played in more.

Not only that, but a big chunk of the original Turtle roster moved to General Chou Frisé's Winter Wonderland Brigade. Why did Chou's get the Icelandic Turtle spot, since clearly they contributed to the win more than BlacKnight alone did? Again, inconsistent.

Poon Squad CL7 - CL8

ieatpubes              indibob
Martian                Fluppen
mamuc                  SATS
Wildzar	               Wildzar
Florian                Fiver !
indibob                grooooorg
Monsi                  Riegels	
jamrod                 cf1986	
Nickovision            Pobliomas	
Pooncrew               Pooncrew
QueefBalls             QueefBalls
Swagnum                Swagnum

Another complete transformation of a roster. Note that Pooncrew, QueefBalls and Swagnum all participated in 1/18 slots each in both rosters, compared to their other players where they capitalised on more heavily.

More than 1 player in the original roster transferred to M'Hunters. I don't see M'H getting any compensation, from adopting the most functional members of the CL7 Poon Squad roster.

And quite ironically, 101st from CL7 -> CL8

I can't be bothered to look up the rosters, but if I remember correctly, Platinum was the only player to be in both. That's insane! Platinum changes the pool of players there and he's allowed to compete in B, and then he DOESN'T change the pool of players and he's allowed to compete in A? That's insane! Clearly something in the system favours Platinum.

acme acme acme acme acme

(like come on)

The Lost Wolves CL8 - CL9

They've almost lost their entire roster that allowed them to perform quite well.

2) Obvious bias

Who remembers the #MotDForPrez that Outlaws were parading around screaming? I certainly do; it's when it became so obvious that there were some professional dicksuckers who love to appeal to authority. A clan that actively has a lot to say about Clan League, wouldn't have such an easy time getting a decision like this. Decisions should be made fairly, based on events that happen: not how much the organiser's dick is sucked.

3) The line of argument for getting Outlaws in A

which results in a more competitive CL.

What type of line of argument is this? M'Hunters should have been in B, not C! LEA should have been in D or E! Stahl should have been in C or D! 7th Heaven should have been much higher than E!

What type of flawed logic is this? If we wanted the most competitive Clan League, it would actually be enforced all the time. Not when you want to throw a bone to the dicksuckers.

This is the last straw where Outlaws are systematically favoured.

Edited 10/16/2016 13:00:20

I have a question for the people supporting 101st here, by saying it is a "clan" competition, and 101st should stay in div A, no matter what happens.
Does that mean that if Platinum had chosen to stay in 101st, and used his manager rights to kick all non-Outlaws players out of the clan, then you would have been entirely fine giving 101st the div A spot?
But since he chose to do things the right way and create a new clan instead, you won't give him the spot now? That doesn't make any sense.


The fact is, whoever paid for 101st or put Platinum in charge before the clan league 8 began, that person chose to forfeit his reponsibilities as a clan leader and give them to someone else.
I understand why 101st players aren't happy about Outlaws getting the spot. But Outlaws didn't steal that spot, 101st gave it away when then put Platinum in charge and and they let Outlaws players do all the work during Clan League 8.
101st didn't earn the promotion to A, Outlaws did.

Firstly, I would like to preface this post by confessing my sympathy with the Clan League council; it is a nearly thankless task they have been given, and they have to come down on one side of the fence; whichever side they chose to fall on, there would be an inevitable backlash from the other, and it really is an unenviable position to be in.

Nevertheless, I am sorry to say that I think the decision they have come to is incorrect, and I will try and rebut some of the official reasoning here.

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History

Interestingly, Lynx have been in this situation before. Let me quote Beren's post with some relevant information.

following the creation of Lynx as a separate entity from 101st, which happened before CL5

from the CL4 lineup all members of 101st moved to Lynx

101st kept its spot and promoted to A, while Lynx started from the bottom

That's right. All. Every, single, one. Every member of the 101st team that helped the clan gain promotion to A moved over to Lynx. However, the council decided that the spot should follow the clan, and since 101st as a clan had gained promotion, the promotion spot went to them. The individuals themselves had chosen to take a different path, create a new clan, and were therefore forced to start from the beginning and make their own way up.

I appreciate that XS/One situation has since happened, but I have a different way of interpreting these three situation. Of the 3 times it's happened, the clans that were "at risk" were CPU, 101st and XS. Twice (CPU and XS), they did not compete in the following clan league, and those spots were taken by the replacement clans. Once (101st), they had the desire to continue competing, so they took precedence over the spot and the new clan were forced to start from the bottom. The current decision completely ignores this precedent.

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Current Situation

I appreciate this supports your decision, so it's good to include it from that point of view, but to be quite honest, it's irrelevant. People do change clan during the clan league, and where they end up should have no relevance. Otherwise we'll end up in the future whereby the council has to make arbitrary decisions as to what percentage/number of a clan must change before the new clan has the right to a spot.

Look at apex. They had 6 people competing for them this time around. 2 of them (Miyagi and Beren) have their main accounts in alternative clans, whilst 1 (timon) has a prominent account elsewhere too. Now what if the 3 of them decided to go solo, and combine their 3 accounts together? Would they now have a valid claim to that spot? Would they need to convince one of the remaining 3 participants to join them on their folly, and then the spot is theirs?

The line here is, and will always be, arbitrary and subjective, which is never a good look when you are trying to run a reputable competition.

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Hijacking Concerns

Whilst the rest of Beren's post was considered and arguable, but at least thought out, this bit is ridiculous. It basically reads as "this is something we're going to ban in the future, but turn a blind eye to this time". Why? If the conduct is something we don't want to happen in the future, then make a statement here and now and discourage this sort of practice.