"So Adrijan is yet again another 1416 alt...surprise surpise"

Not even close xD

"It's Karl."

Nope, I am just me, Adrijan from Lezhë, if I was Karl I think fizzer would ban me already as he told me. I met Karl in paugers chat yesterday (thank to have invited me!), he is a nice guy, and we share many view, but we havent the same view always for every thing (example jews), anyway it is funny to see people believing everybody with a different view is "karl", he warned me about it, and your comment here just proved he is right :)


ahah any way I see its nice try to deraill my thraed uh? for now nobody convinced me about allah (of muslim) not being the devil, I am very disapointed by kebabs and squiggles!

"English should work just fine. We read the bible un english when it was translated too, so there's no need for you to learn arabic."

Teamie, that prove you know nothing about Islam, no surprise from someone that do not read properly (mention of allah of muslims).
the only language how you should raed Quran is Arabic, that all.

Why? I will tell you why:
if you start translating it, you would find the trecheary of it, and how incoherent, contradictory, fake this "holy" text is, first muslim scholar knew it. As I shown you here with this verse of quran's suret, if translated properly you see the incoherent part of it, where God is treated as the deceiver, exactly how Bible describe Satan in the book of revelation, do you honestly believe this is a coincidence?

We call people of Daesh "radical muslim", if they werent muslim do you think we would use the word "muslim"? however we use "radical MUSLIM", because they are MUSLIM, admit it or not, Islam is the religion of Death and Apocalypse disguised. Trump has a right idea for America: banning all muslim, do you think that harsh? when you believe and worship Satan you should not be allowed to enter America, even if you are not terrorist, I know good people that xcall themselve Muslim in Albania, some are even friend, I consider them as people that has been fooled and told lie by their family that were forced converted by Kebabs, I do not reject them, because the Christian have to open their heart and help people that are not seing the truth and believe in wrong thing, many of people I know have renounced Islam, because after reading it (not in arabic szince nobody know it) in their language they found that Islam was a religion made by a pedophile pervert hobo from Mekka that hear the voice of the Deceiver, Satan disguised in Allah (allah here = God), but as the Book of revelation warn us :
"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
(Book of REvelation that describe Apocalypse) "

I've done a bit of research into Revelation...
You claim to be a Christian. I find this claim fairly dubious, but I'll have to take it at face value.

So, the people of Daesh are called radical muslims. Just as the man who attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in USA earlier this year was called a radical Christian.

Trump does not want to ban all muslims, he simply wants to stop muslim immigration temporarily.

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Anyway, moving on to the most misguided part of your post, the Revelation quote:
The part that applies to muslims is chapter 22 verse 18

"I testify to every one who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any one shall add to
these things, God shall add to him the plagues
which are written in this book"

Basically, the muslims have taken the bible, and said that Jesus is not the savior, rather, Mohammed is. Therefore, they have added to the book.

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Now, onto your quote:

"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

To begin with, I don't recall seeing those parts in brackets, so I'll assume that you put them in. First, I'll find the actual quote (chapter 20 verses 7-10)

"And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which [are] in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down [from God] out of the heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages"

Okay, so what you're saying is that these people are Allah and Mohammed. All I can say is that you're WRONG with a capital W. And capital R, O, N, G as well. Please tell me, when were the thousand years completed? Mohammed was dead last time I checked, so he must have already done his false propheting. Therefore, according to your logic, all this must have already happened. Please explain to me exactly when the apocalypse occurred.

PS: When the antichrist/beast does rise up, good luck getting deceived!

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I think that would win a "Long and boring post" competition

"I've done a bit of research into Revelation...
You claim to be a Christian. I find this claim fairly dubious, but I'll have to take it at face value. "

You done bit research on Revelation? guess you never read it at all? "a 2 min research" wont be enough for you to really master this topic my friend.
Are you Christian? I also doubt about it, every christian know the book of revelation, you do not need research if you know the holy scriptures.

"So, the people of Daesh are called radical muslims. Just as the man who attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in USA earlier this year was called a radical Christian."

How many attack by christian compared to muslim? Do you heard of a terrorist christian state populated by savages do you?
I do not neglect some people are mad and call themself "christian" the thing is, christianity and its authority do not recognize their act as christian, wereas people doing jihad arent condemned really by any legal muslim authority, WORSE! Many IMAM convey this message of hatred! tell me when a catholic priest or orthodox help and defend terrorist or "radical christian" as you say. Call me when the highest religious one of Arabia strongly condemn they act WITHOUT AMBIGUITY. Salafi in Arabia have the purest Islam doctrina, and they are the one conveying message of violence and hatred. What do it mean? well, it mean that Islam when practiced correctly is the religious of violence and death, that is well represented nowdays around the world by Salafi and purist Muslim.
On other hand, the SUFI the one that we call" moderate" arent pracicing the purest form of Islam, because Sufism is influenced by external ideologies out of Islam (influenced by former religion for example, or mysthicism, it is mostly a synchretism, but we cant call Sufism pure Islam as the one pracitced by Salafi)

"Trump does not want to ban all muslims, he simply wants to stop muslim immigration temporarily."

"temporarily, got to prove it, what he say is as logn as muslim do not improve and cannot leave in society they should be banned, and this is unlikely to change.

"Anyway, moving on to the most misguided part of your post, the Revelation quote:
The part that applies to muslims is chapter 22 verse 18

"I testify to every one who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any one shall add to
these things, God shall add to him the plagues
which are written in this book" "

Quran (this book) wasnt yet written, in case you did not know it Christianity predate Islam by more than 600 year. However the book of revelation describ perfectly a possible way of Satan creating is own religion and how in Apocalypse he could be destroyed, because at the end of time the beast speaking though Muhammedi will be revealed (Satan the deceiver is a fallen angel, that considered himself as God, that would not be surprising he tempted to create his own religion)

"Basically, the muslims have taken the bible, and said that Jesus is not the savior, rather, Mohammed is. Therefore, they have added to the book."

indeed they have taken the bible, corrupted it and made a new book known as Quran, proving you know nothing about both religion, Muhammedi is not even considered a savior in Islam, he is a prophet, Christ over is still seen as the savior that in end of time would come again and fight the antichrist in the final battle of end of time.
If you want to debate with someone about religion, an advice for you: know yourself what you are talking about, because it is clear evidence you have no religious education at all my friend :)

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Now, onto your quote:

"And the beast (Allah or Satan) was taken, and with him the false prophet (aka Muhammedi) that wrought miracles before him, with which he Deceived (as said in the Quran) them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

To begin with, I don't recall seeing those parts in brackets, so I'll assume that you put them in. First, I'll find the actual quote (chapter 20 verses 7-10)"

Miserable attempt, do you believe I invented this quote? This is what happen when you try to debate and know nothing about it and doing a "superficial" research.
I guess your "little research" did not went enough far, and to conclusion you miserably failed, if you want to find my quote check "Revelation 19:20", the most pure version of this verse in aramaic is as follow "And The Beast was captured and The False Prophet with it, who did signs before it by which he seduced those who received the mark of The Beast, and those who worshiped its image; and both went down and were cast into The Lake of Fire that burns also with brimstone". Well you might see that there is almost no difference with the modern form of this verse, so the message is the same, and it strictly match with Islam, Allah the deceiver, and a false prophet, Muhammedi.

There are further references about the false prophet, made by Matthew (something like "beware of the false prophet!" do not remember exactly the entire verse) or Daniel. I advice you to look at them if you wnat further knowledge :)

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"And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which [are] in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war, whose number [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down [from God] out of the heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages"

Okay, so what you're saying is that these people are Allah and Mohammed. "
Indeded I am. Many hints could show that these people are the devil that named himself God (=Allah in arabic) and Muhammedi being the false prophet.

"All I can say is that you're WRONG with a capital W. And capital R, O, N, G as well. "

Oh yeah I am WRONG, W R O N G, wrong wrong wrong xD My God do you believe you can convince someone by writing it many time?

"Please tell me, when were the thousand years completed? Mohammed was dead last time I checked, so he must have already done his false propheting."

Prophet arent immortal, and you seem to confund prophets and the CHRIST, Jesus is more than a prphet and in Islam even if it recognize a false prophet by Satan treachery, you can see there are many contradiction, one of them being that Jesus konwn as Isai Jezusi or Isa (depending on language) is immortal and will come at the end, Arabs were christian at the beginning after all, so even with words of the deceiver through Muhammedi they did not denatured entirely the original message, because Jesus is more than a prophet he is the bringer of HOPE, that would come back in Messianic time!

" according to your logic, all this must have already happened. Please explain to me exactly when the apocalypse occurred."

In case you did not konw, the Bible reveals what happen in the future, hence the book of REVELATION My God, this is so ridiculus xD at least you made me laugh by your patetic knowledge of religions :) if you want to know how the apocalypse occur, read the book of revelation, it exists on this very purpose ;)

"PS: When the antichrist/beast does rise up, good luck getting deceived! "

when he will arise, I have no fear, Jesus will come back, and even Muslim did not forget it.

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"I think that would win a "Long and boring post" competition"

Something not mentioned here, I am the ONE deciding who win the competition :) and for now nobody proved allah (the deceiving God of the Quran, not generic term Allah=God) isnt Satan.

Guys, adrijan is not karl (they chat with each other on skype, so unless it's a REALLY serious deception, they are different ppl), and he is not 1416 because there is no way 1416 could make himself speak against Islam like adrijan does

Also, to the ppl saying it's all the Abrahamic god, this is the argument that is going over your head: Allah is not God. He is Satan, disguised as God, in an attempt to deceive mankind. And it worked. That or Mohammed just made it all up to get power, which is also quite possible.

^^Then who could it be?

^ A new person? Oh, I forgot, there are only 4 rightwingers in existence and all others are alts

I advocate towards as Adrijian as 1416 because it is easy to speak against your own morals and support personal taboo. It isnt self opinionated or emitional harm. Tjey know its for show because they did it. Why would they hurt themselves?

it 1416 cuz r 1416 have theze weird thingz in od countrz lik Netherlands and this dude is from Albania

for the one ont yet understanding when i say "allah" i do not mention God (the true one), but the God mentioned in Quran which is different.

There's no indication that the God described in the quran is in any way separate from the God described in Christian or Jewish traditions, and if you ask muslims they will tell you that Christians and jews worship the same God that they do. It is only somewhat ignorant christians who deny that The quran describes the God of Abraham, who by the way is a fairly prominent figure in islam.

You may consider the teachings of Islam to be unorthodox, but that is different from considering the God who the teachings pertain to to be a separate figure.

Oh damn, looks like he's unsuspended...

dicite omnes 'ave satanas domine magisterque ater mi

Satan and Allah are both fictional character, from a book...Therefore both characters are what the book define them to be. Satan & Allah, just like Starsky & Hutch, Adam & Eve, Sam & Frodo,etc, are by definition different characters. CQFD
Allah is also by definition Yaweh and Jesus
I mean sure the next book of this holy book series could bring a major twist in this action packed fantasy tale and reveal Allah to be the easter bunny...but that's just a guessing game at this point.
Or maybe Allah is just the 3rd pokemon-like evolution of Yaweh...well that's just a fan theory of course, we won't know for sure until the sequel of the trilogy hit the shelves. But the Kuran did state that it is the last and perfect book of the serie, so we might never see a sequel...

On the topic of Allah being a mentally challenged and blood thirsty psychopath, well there is a fairly large basis of surahs to support this claim. We knew already that he suffered from mental disorder from the previous books, but man shit got real in the last book of the trilogy. Here, i'll give it to you in 3 languages:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxzPz8jHgSejQzNzWUY4RWdvOVk

On the topic of arab being the only language to read the Kuran, this is a fairly recent and obviously bullshit argument meant sweep away any critics of it. If this claim is true, then the following propositions are incompatible
1. The Kuran can only be understood in arab
2. Islam is a universal religion

If arab is the only language complex enough that it can't be translated in any other language, then the consequence is arab can't possibly be learnt as a second language, and only people whose mother tongue is arab can understand it. Therefore either islam is not the universal religion it claims to be, or arab can be translated in other languages


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Edited 7/30/2016 20:00:30

Don't you dare compare Frodo and Sam to Allah! Frodo and Sam had gone through hell to save all mankind's ass, your ASS!

Edited 7/30/2016 19:50:06

My friend, you claim to have a knowledge of the bible. Tell me, then, where the scripture that speaks of "line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little."
And tell me which one of Joseph's brethren stopped the others from killing him.
Then, I'll trust your knowledge.

I claimed you were wrong, and I backed up my claim with evidence. That is more than you'll get from most lefties. I can't believe that I am having to explain simple things to someone on the same side of the political spectrum to me.

We do not need to prove Allah isn't Satan. All we need to do is disprove your proofs, which we have done. This is because you are making a statement, and you need to prove it.

"Please tell me, when were the thousand years completed? Mohammed was dead last time I checked, so he must have already done his false propheting."

Prophet arent immortal, and you seem to confund prophets and the CHRIST, Jesus is more than a prphet and in Islam even if it recognize a false prophet by Satan treachery, you can see there are many contradiction, one of them being that Jesus konwn as Isai Jezusi or Isa (depending on language) is immortal and will come at the end, Arabs were christian at the beginning after all, so even with words of the deceiver through Muhammedi they did not denatured entirely the original message, because Jesus is more than a prophet he is the bringer of HOPE, that would come back in Messianic time!

This is just plain ridiculous. For starters, you could learn to spell. Next, you could learn that using an explanation mark doesn't make your point correct. You could also learn to construct coherent sentences, although sadly that is really no longer considered a necessity. You have said that Jesus is more than a prophet. This is correct. However, it is meaningless in this case. You have said that even if islam recognises a false prophet through satan's treachery, there are many contradiction, one of them being that Jesus...is immortal and will come at the end. Okay, the first part of that makes no sense. The second part states that it it a contradiction that Jesus is immortal and will come at the end. This is anti-christian. Arabs were christian at the beginning after all. Sort of agree here, but Acts 16:6 says And having passed through Phrygia and the Galatian country, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia, . Therefore, they were pretty much screwed from the beginning if Paul wasn't meant to speak the word there. However, Paul says in 2 Timothy 1:15, Thou knowest this, that all who [are] in Asia, of whom is Phygellus and Hermogenes, have turned away from me. , so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter anyway.

In case you did not konw, the Bible reveals what happen in the future, hence the book of REVELATION My God, this is so ridiculus xD at least you made me laugh by your patetic knowledge of religions :) if you want to know how the apocalypse occur, read the book of revelation, it exists on this very purpose ;)

As I have already said, I have studied the book of Revelation. You claim to be a christian, yet you blaspheme with "My God". My point was that Mohammed is dead, so if he is THE false prophet and Allah is Satan, then everything described before chapter 20 must have already happened.

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I do not neglect some people are mad and call themself "christian" the thing is, christianity and its authority do not recognize their act as christian, wereas people doing jihad arent condemned really by any legal muslim authority, WORSE! Many IMAM convey this message of hatred! tell me when a catholic priest or orthodox help and defend terrorist or "radical christian" as you say. Call me when the highest religious one of Arabia strongly condemn they act WITHOUT AMBIGUITY. Salafi in Arabia have the purest Islam doctrina, and they are the one conveying message of violence and hatred. What do it mean? well, it mean that Islam when practiced correctly is the religious of violence and death, that is well represented nowdays around the world by Salafi and purist Muslim.
On other hand, the SUFI the one that we call" moderate" arent pracicing the purest form of Islam, because Sufism is influenced by external ideologies out of Islam (influenced by former religion for example, or mysthicism, it is mostly a synchretism, but we cant call Sufism pure Islam as the one pracitced by Salafi)

All I can say is...#hypocrisy

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There are further references about the false prophet, made by Matthew (something like "beware of the false prophet!" do not remember exactly the entire verse) or Daniel. I advice you to look at them if you wnat further knowledge :)

I've sort of addressed this already.

^ Wait, if you believe in Islam you believe in Satan....

Adrijan is a Muslim Satanist.

In revelation Chapter 19, the false prophet was with the Beast.

In Chapter 13 the Beast demanded to be worshiped and and all who worship him demand a statue built on the honur of the beast

Is it the prohibition of illustration of human figures illegal in Islam to deny that they were the beast.

Is Mohammed the false prophet and Allah Satan?

Highly skeptical, but a nice imagination exercise.

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