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Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 17:26:51


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Trump in the other side is a wildcard we don't know what he will do, and I'm seriously concerned of how he will handle the nuclear arsenal. Will he decide to bomb Beijing if China insulted his hair? Invade Mexico if they don't pay for his useless wall? We can't say. For all purposes stick with the devil you know.

lol this is such a retarded position
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 17:26:56


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Nah, Obama was a solid president, and Clinton isn't much different. She's also very similar to Bill, who was also good.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 17:46:08


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Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 17:49:25


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Obama was/is terrible Ox
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 17:56:17


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Obama was a solid president

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war



And a civil war in another country reflects upon Obama's presidency how?


Bill, who was also good.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia


A bad situation which Clinton handled well, imo. Forceful U.S. intervention helped lead to the end of conflict in Bosnia few years before, and similar intervention was likely the best policy option here. If anything, Clinton should be applauded for the stance the U.S. took.

Edited 8/5/2016 17:57:12
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 18:00:42


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A bad situation which Clinton handled well, imo. Forceful U.S. intervention helped lead to the end of conflict in Bosnia few years before, and similar intervention was likely the best policy option here. If anything, Clinton should be applauded for the stance the U.S. took.

So he helped a terrorist group take control of Kosova by killing hundreds of Serbs, then helped them by letting them commit ethnic cleansing in Kosova, and that's good? Milosevic has gotten exonerated already, so it's obvious that the "genocide" NATO claimed happened didn't happen.

And a civil war in another reflects on Obama's presidency how?

He supported terrorists to overthrow Assad. It greatly aggravated the situation, and led to ISIS's rise.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 18:07:10


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You're acting like any president hasn't intervened in anything.

The first ones were the worst; they were the ones that supported slavedriving.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 18:12:59


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The first ones were the worst; they were the ones that supported slavedriving

US still has slavery. Look at all those non-criminals in prison, being forced to work.

You're acting like any president hasn't intervened in anything.

There were presidents who had little to no intervening. Anyway, acting like intervention is ok because others do it is acting like slavery is ok because others do it.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 21:11:08


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A bad situation which Clinton handled well, imo. Forceful U.S. intervention helped lead to the end of conflict in Bosnia few years before, and similar intervention was likely the best policy option here. If anything, Clinton should be applauded for the stance the U.S. took.

So he helped a terrorist group take control of Kosova by killing hundreds of Serbs, then helped them by letting them commit ethnic cleansing in Kosova, and that's good? Milosevic has gotten exonerated already, so it's obvious that the "genocide" NATO claimed happened didn't happen.


Wasn't Milosevic a war criminal on trial at the Hague when he died? Didn't he aid and abet the ethnic cleansing and slaughter of thousands of Croats and Bosnians in previous conflicts in the former Yugoslavian republic just before the Kosovo conflict? Wasn't he using strident, ethnically-based, jingoistic language and policy promoting Serbs over Albanians in Kosovo, the same language he used in the previous conflicts? Language that led to conflicts where thousands of innocent civilians died? Conflicts that were only resolved the forcefull intervention by NATO led by the U.S? And you're saying the the U.S. should have stood by and given Milosevic a free hand in Kosovo?



And a civil war in another reflects on Obama's presidency how?

He supported terrorists to overthrow Assad. It greatly aggravated the situation, and led to ISIS's rise.


You have an interesting interpretation of events.

It is unclear where Obama directly supported terrorists. I read the link you posted earlier -- I don't come away with the indication that Obama supported terrorists (presumably you are referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq).

Indeed I think it is quite clear from Obama's record that he went out of his way to not support Al Qaeda in Iraq. You will recall that some Republicans in the U.S. have criticized Obama quite heavily for not intervening in Syria earlier. His defense has been (in part) that they couldn't find reasonable parties amongst the opposition to support. That his to say, the Obama administration actively avoided supporting terrorists in the Syrian opposition.


M.G.S.B. I don't think the color of the sky in your world is the same as it is in mine.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 21:46:56


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Wasn't Milosevic a war criminal on trial at the Hague when he died?

And he was cleared recently of the charges against him. He's dead, but they didn't give up trying to paint him as a Serb hitler.

Didn't he aid and abet the ethnic cleansing and slaughter of thousands of Croats and Bosnians in previous conflicts in the former Yugoslavian republic just before the Kosovo conflict?

No one could produce a single order sent by Milosevic to Serb fighters in Croatia or Bosnia.

Wasn't he using strident, ethnically-based, jingoistic language and policy promoting Serbs over Albanians in Kosovo, the same language he used in the previous conflicts?

Milosevic was a socialist dedicated to a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia, as the ICTY acknowledges.

Language that led to conflicts where thousands of innocent civilians died?

Neither the Nationalist Serb conflict in Croatia and Bosnia, nor the Kosova conflict were created by the Yugoslav government.

Conflicts that were only resolved the forcefull intervention by NATO led by the U.S?

The US doesn't get props for siding with terrorists in Kosova.

And you're saying the the U.S. should have stood by and given Milosevic a free hand in Kosovo?

Are you saying that the US should side with nationalist terrorists who start wars? Because that's what the KLA was.

It is unclear where Obama directly supported terrorists. I read the link you posted earlier -- I don't come away with the indication that Obama supported terrorists (presumably you are referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq).

The memo identifies AQI as one of the opposition groups, and identifies that the west (NATO) supports it.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 22:44:28


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I sincerely hope with every fiber of my being that Donald J Trump will become the next President of the USA. And when he does I hope with all my heart that he makes the diplomatic relations with Russia & China so deplorable that he decides to nuke them whilst they simultaneously nuke the USA. With the britfags out of the EU, thus can finally begin a new era for Europe, liberated from the Anglo-Saxon shackles, and we are finally free to become the Utopian Society we were always meant to be.

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Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 23:08:28


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lol this is such a retarded position


A retarded position is to vote for a man claiming:
- to be a business genious when he clearly is not; his bankrupcies and frauds made more harm to the country than he will ever be able to make up for.
- that america needs to be made great again (a slogan he stole from Reagan btw). America isn't the greatest country in the world; and it's not Obama's fault, America never was that great to begin with.
- to say the truth. Politifact says that 75% of Trump statements were partly, mostly, totally false or pants on fire. As a matter of fact some guys watched over 60 hours of Trump speeches, he averaged one lie every five minutes.

Oh and as for Trump reactions to critics, this guy is a cry-baby that whines and insults everyone everytime he gets contradicted. Remember Megan Kelly, the disabled journalist or the gold star soldier's father. He's an internet troll for the least we can say; would you hand nuclear codes to a random troll? If not why do you want to hand them over to a worldwide known one?

Maybe you don't like Hillary; I don't. But don't let your hate towards a person make you chose the other side by default or because the other candidate promised you that fairy tales were true and that he could make America one.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 23:27:34


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TeamGuns went full Libtard. Never go full libtard.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-05 23:42:05


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A retarded position is to vote for a man claiming:
- to be a business genious when he clearly is not; his bankrupcies and frauds made more harm to the country than he will ever be able to make up for.
- that america needs to be made great again (a slogan he stole from Reagan btw). America isn't the greatest country in the world; and it's not Obama's fault, America never was that great to begin with.
- to say the truth. Politifact says that 75% of Trump statements were partly, mostly, totally false or pants on fire. As a matter of fact some guys watched over 60 hours of Trump speeches, he averaged one lie every five minutes.


I think these are weaker points contrasted to what else Trump is doing.
*Breaking human rights (torture) and killing innocent folk as official policy (and Trump upholders call Clinton a war crime? She is, but c'mon on)
*Killing many more Americans through environmental unregulation.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 00:01:27


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Maybe you don't like Hillary; I don't. But don't let your hate towards a person make you chose the other side by default or because the other candidate promised you that fairy tales were true and that he could make America one.

DONALD JOHN TRUMP will unite America in a glorious federation of states.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 00:57:15


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- to be a business genious when he clearly is not; his bankrupcies and frauds made more harm to the country than he will ever be able to make up for.

Trump owns over 500 businesses.
5 of them went bankrupt.
99% success rate.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 01:37:19


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Wasn't Milosevic a war criminal on trial at the Hague when he died?

And he was cleared recently of the charges against him. He's dead, but they didn't give up trying to paint him as a Serb hitler.


However, the Court did find that Milošević and others in Serbia had committed a breach of the Genocide Convention by failing to prevent the genocide from occurring and for not cooperating with the ICTY in punishing the perpetrators of the genocide, in particular General Ratko Mladić, and for violating its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court.[10][11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87

So, he was a war criminal


Didn't he aid and abet the ethnic cleansing and slaughter of thousands of Croats and Bosnians in previous conflicts in the former Yugoslavian republic just before the Kosovo conflict?

No one could produce a single order sent by Milosevic to Serb fighters in Croatia or Bosnia.


As noted above, he was in the position to, but chose not to, prevent or help prevent the ethnic cleansing in both Croatia and Bosnia. In other words, he did aid, or at least, abet in the ethnic cleansing.


Wasn't he using strident, ethnically-based, jingoistic language and policy promoting Serbs over Albanians in Kosovo, the same language he used in the previous conflicts?

Milosevic was a socialist dedicated to a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia, as the ICTY acknowledges.


The ICTY acknowledged no such thing. They mere dismissed the charges against him for lack of sufficient proof. As for being dedicated to a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia, that proposition is only true if you accept a Yugoslavia where Serbs were in a dominant position (i.e., a Serbian empire).

Language that led to conflicts where thousands of innocent civilians died?

Neither the Nationalist Serb conflict in Croatia and Bosnia, nor the Kosova conflict were created by the Yugoslav government.


Your reply does not address my comment and as discussed above Milosevic and other people within Serbia if not aided, absolutely abetted the nationalist Serb conflict in Croatia and Bosnia.


The US doesn't get props for siding with terrorists in Kosova.


In Kosovo, the U.S. fought the Terrorists and sided with the Freedom Fighters. It was Serbia who was raining down terror on the ethnic Albanians living in that province.

Seriously now, the term "terrorist" is too broad a label, and as my reply to you demonstrates, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Maybe choose another term, or actually describe the crimes you claim the individuals/governments are committing.

As for props, the U.S. helped avoid another prolonged Bosnian-like conflict with their intervention in Kosovo -- and yes, they deserve props for this.


And you're saying the the U.S. should have stood by and given Milosevic a free hand in Kosovo?

Are you saying that the US should side with nationalist terrorists who start wars? Because that's what the KLA was.

I disagree about who started that war. I am not interested in debating this point with you, but I don't accept your claim.


It is unclear where Obama directly supported terrorists. I read the link you posted earlier -- I don't come away with the indication that Obama supported terrorists (presumably you are referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq).

The memo identifies AQI as one of the opposition groups, and identifies that the west (NATO) supports it.


First off, the memo does not indicate that the West supported AQI, but only the opposition. AQI is part of the opposition but NOT all of it. So, it is entirely possible for the West to supports the parts of the opposition not involving AQI.

Do you have any evidence that the West materially supported AQI itself?

There is lots of evidence that the U.S. discriminated amongst the opposition groups as to who to support. Moreover, the U.S. initially provided only non-lethal support to the opposition.

Your memo does not indicate that Obama directly supported terrorists.

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Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 02:04:32


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However, the Court did find that Milošević and others in Serbia had committed a breach of the Genocide Convention by failing to prevent the genocide from occurring and for not cooperating with the ICTY in punishing the perpetrators of the genocide, in particular General Ratko Mladić, and for violating its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court.[10][11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87

So, he was a war criminal


Were all the leaders of Europe war criminals then?

As noted above, he was in the position to, but chose not to, prevent or help prevent the ethnic cleansing in both Croatia and Bosnia. In other words, he did aid, or at least, abet in the ethnic cleansing.

Then did all of Europe abet in ethnic cleansing?

The ICTY acknowledged no such thing. They mere dismissed the charges against him for lack of sufficient proof. As for being dedicated to a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia, that proposition is only true if you accept a Yugoslavia where Serbs were in a dominant position.

The judgment notes that in meetings with Serb and Bosnian Serb officials “Slobodan Milosevic stated that ‘[a]ll members of other nations and ethnicities must be protected’ and that ‘[t]he national interest of the Serbs is not discrimination’.” Also that “Milosevic further declared that crime needed to be fought decisively.”


In Kosovo, the U.S. fought the Terrorists and sided with the Freedom Fighters. It was Serbia who was raining down terror on the ethnic Albanians living in that province.

"without any questions, a terrorist group"


The US's envoy to the area, Robert Gelbard, says differently.

I disagree about who started that war. I am not interested in debating this point with you, but I don't accept your claim.

The KLA started the war in 1996.
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 02:06:53


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Do you have any evidence that the West materially supported AQI itself?

It still is:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-09/us-government-reveals-3000-ton-delivery-weapons-and-ammo-al-qaeda-linked-syrian-rebe
Trump will be the next president: 2016-08-06 16:00:11


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500 businesses.
5 of them went bankrupt.
99% success rate.


Trump claims he's worth 10 bn dollars.
Forbes says it's closer to a third of that.

Whatever, if Trump had invested his hundred million dollars inheritance in the SP500 index fund he'd be worth 20 bn dollars. All of this without receiving gvt help to prevent having to pay for businesses he bankrupted, moving jobs to China and Mexico (the irony lol) or leaving thousands of students in heavy debt while having a worthless scam university degree.

This man invested his father's inheritance money poorly and hurt America while doing that; he'd be living in the street if in the early 2000s he didnt had gvt and bankers help to save his arse. He's no business genious in my eyes.
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