Hey guys, I'm back and I'm going to reveal the [20] standings so far:

There will be a total of 19 1v1 games, 8 2v2 games, and 5 3v3 games. That's a total of 32 games. Most players are about halfway through so far.

1. JUPITER: +12 (16 games remaining)
2. Mannerheim: + 10 (18 games remaining)
3. Teddy: +4 (20 games remaining)
4. Fridge: +4 (14 games remaining)
5. Gnuffone: +3 (15 games remaining)
6. Timinator: +2 (26 games remaining)
7. Anonymous: +2 (12 games remaining)
8. Frankdeslimste: +1 (23 games remaining)
9. Falker: +0 (14 games remaining)
10. Heyeheuhei: -1 (19 games remaining)
11. Unknownsoldier: -1 (17 games remaining)
12. EZPickens: -1 (17 games remaining)
13. Old Surehand: -2 (20 games remaining)
14. Marc: -2 (16 games remaining)
15. Longhouse: -5 (17 games remaining)
16. Lobstrosity: -10 (16 games remaining)

2 other participants (myself and dunga) were booted in over 10 games so their results will not be scored. 2 other participants just played 1v1 (dead piggy and dreuj).

Is anyone else surprised Jupiter and Mannerheim have a huge lead on everyone else in A League so far? That could change, but it still makes those two look like very underrated players. Should be interesting to see how this season plays out.

Also, there will be no [20] leagues such as this next season. Instead, we will have a strategic 1v1 playoff system. I am working on the details currently but I will make a thread about it when it comes out. I might add 1-2 other events as well.

Why dont you chuck me and dreuj in as well? I am at +3 (joint 6th) and dreuj at +5 (3rd) just off 1v1 games.

Edited 11/14/2013 03:33:50

Yeah, I would add you guys in, but with the final standings, it will be about who gets the most points. So you guys will be at a severe disadvantage.

Is it +1 for a win and -1 for a loss? If the points system is a zero sum game then me and dreuj just have to end up with more wins than losses to stay above the average. Infact we would be at quite a big advantage by only opting into the competitions we specialise in.

Thanks for adding all that up, must have taken a while.

Edited 11/14/2013 04:13:20

Where's the tournament link?

Dead piggy, it actually only took 10-15 minutes. And yes, right now the point system is +1 for a win, -1 for a loss. But at the end, I will add up wins, since all players should have played 32 games if they really wanted the [20] title. Right now, you are at an advntage in the points system. But when the season ends, you will be at a big disadvantage.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=5703 thats the 1v1.

Please, call me piggy. Will you be making adjustments? For example, is anyone who lost to JSA or dunga going to be given a win? is someone who got booted from a totally winning position going to be awarded the win?

Haha okay Piggy, I was not planning on making adjustments, I don't have time to look through each game. And with me and dunga, I believe we each lost 1-2 games by playing, and not by boots, so giving the guys that lost to us a free win would not be fair to the guys that beat us without boots.

And lolowut, I'll post 2v2 adn 3v3 links soon.

ha! i was right in the predictions, jay did end up last!

i wonder, does that mean jay will get relegated to 20B now?

a win is a win, for boot or for suuredmer, should count imho. in the past we always do it.

i agree gnuff, but you know jay... ;)

In the past lippy italians got exiled so people didnt have to listen to their BS, but times change. "In the past we always do it" is not a good justification for anything.

Wins due to boots are unimportant because wherever possible a league should reward good play. Giving someone points for losing against a player who happened forgets to take a turn reduces the credibility of the league.

I remember when I beat you in the 3v3ENC clot after sze got booted you bitched and whined about how unfair it was and how you wanted a rematch. You didnt stop until myhand and sze weighed in, and told you to shut up because you had clearly lost. What has caused this change in your atittude?

Edited 11/14/2013 08:13:36

ah but pig, but regardless of the reason, dont people who end up last in the league get relegated anyway?

Edited 11/14/2013 08:13:05

I'm not talking about JSA, Im talking about the people he beat before he left getting penalised.

Edited 11/14/2013 08:15:19

to be honest, i dont know why jay hasnt included dunga and himself in the list. Maybe its because he doesnt want to be publicly humiliated with his name at the bottom, i dont know, but they participated in the league, their results, wins or losses should count regardless ofc.

Edited 11/14/2013 08:17:09

Why do you dislike JSA?

he burnt down my house in my last life.

nah i just admire jay's antics in persuading people he's good. Giving excuses beforehand, excluding himself in rankings where he had fucked up.... etc

Obviously that was Jay's intention with the decision to arbitrarily draw the line at 10 boots. Its classic Jay along with informing the world of his levels of concentration. It can be assumed, Jay, that everyones concentration wavers.

I think of course boots should count otherwise in a league where there is supposedly the possibility of relegation it provides an easy way out. I have 17 games left so can you please let me know now whether you (Jay) and Dunga are relegation candidates. Thanks.

3 vs 3 is slightly different I guess since it may not be your fault. I still think people should accept boots and just move on.

nice :)

The manly man's kid JSA chickens his ass out of not his league - grrrreeaat :)

JSA - despite you got booted in several games, your score should be included for one reason at least - at the time, you were active. you simply decided not to make moves on this single account.. so what you're saying is pure bullshit. It was only up to you, and your sneaky decision. You have seen you're not exactly where you belong, so you decided to stop playing this tournament and blame it all on whatever reason you came up with.. CLASSIC

there is absolutely no reason not to mention them on the list.. they joined the tournaments, they started playing those - they should be included on the list. And at least all of JSA's scores should be counted. Dunga has retired. we know it. he is not active anymore. At all. He is only controlled by one player not to let down his teammates in teamgames. But JSA's whole lot a different story. He is active, he plays, he just doesn't give a shit about it and/or got scared after in his beloved 1v1 he lost 4:1 at the very beginning of the tournament.. then he got booted and 10 times in a row simply gave a walkover by surrendering on picks.

Tournament        JSA won lost playing                    Dunga won lost playing
1v1                    1   14     1   booted once                2   17     0 
2v2 szeurope           2    1     1   booted once                1    0     1 
3v3                    1    0     1   not booted                 1    1     1

JSA -11
Dunga -14 (retired at the beginning of this tournament) <- and i specifically opt for including this note next to dunga and dunga only on the list.


don't worry JSA, your teammates (whoever plays teamgames for you) will get you out of that thing you've just stepped into..

just to make things clear - i do feel counting their 1v1 scores may be not fair for those who actually played against those players and lost their games, so i would opt for NOT including the scores in other players' results.

and last but not least - JSA - why do you need to be that one bad apple who ruins the game for others like that? Quitting in the middle of the tournament may be fully understandable like in dunga's case.. but quitting on your whim only to shout on forums that you are out of the list for no reasons wahtsoever only raises issues like whether or not include your scores - and which to include and which not.. this is ridiculous. Some people won against you in a fair fight - why should they be penalized just because you chickened your ass away from this? On the other hand -why should the one player who actually lost to you be gratified while he lost a fair fight?

You wanted to be recognized as one of the top players? Why not continue playing the tournament among them? I remember you shouting you can make anyone get to top 3 of the ladder or so, while you were still only around place 30.. Stop living in a dream. You are a bad player, and one people cannot rely on as a teammate.

1.  JUPITER:       +12  (16 games remaining)
2.  Mannerheim:    +10  (18 games remaining)
3.  Dreuj:          +5            (only 1v1)
4.  Teddy:          +4  (20 games remaining)
5.  Fridge:         +4  (14 games remaining) 
6.  Dead piggy:     +3            (only 1v1)
    Gnuffone:       +3  (15 games remaining)
8.  Timinator:      +2  (26 games remaining)
9.  Anonymous:      +2  (12 games remaining)
10. Frankdeslimste: +1  (23 games remaining)
11. Falker:         +0  (14 games remaining)
12. Heyheuhei:      -1  (19 games remaining)
13. Unknownsoldier: -1  (17 games remaining)
14. EZPickens:      -1  (17 games remaining)
15. Old Surehand:   -2  (20 games remaining)
16. Marc:           -2  (16 games remaining)
17. Longhouse:      -5  (17 games remaining)
18. Lobstrosity:   -10  (16 games remaining)
19. JSA:           -11  (13 games remaining)

20. Dunga          (retired during the competition after a few initial games)

edit: i somehow missed your misspell of hhh

Edited 11/14/2013 13:07:51