I was wondering about that too. I'd like to see more stats overall, like TeamGuns suggested some time ago:

A template page with stats would be fun and informative to give good intel on templates:

- Average turn count at surrender
- Average turn time
- Avg. Income gap between players at surrender
- Avg. Army gap between players at surrender
- Average income advantage fliping per game (aka how many times in a game the player behind in income managed to get ahead)
- How many players vetoed it
- % of vetoing ammoung active players
- Ranking of players in a template by wins minus defeats

But I can understand if it doesn't have high priority.

Edited 1/26/2017 13:53:11

What about implementing Sri lanka template?

Yeah. I've been eyeing that along with a few others as potential templates to include. It'll come at some point :)

@motd Is it possible for you to find out and share the top 5 most vetoed templates?

39 - Snowy Mountains MA
39 - MA Battle Islands V
30 - Macedonia no split
28 - Georgia Army Cap
18 - Elitist Africa

While I'll admit that I have three of these on my veto list as well, I wouldn't remove templates from the ladder because they are being heavily vetoed. Most of these templates are either loved or hated and there is no middle ground :P

I'd like to see more stats overall, like TeamGuns suggested some time ago

ps has promised to work on them at some point. So I'll leave that to him as I'm focusing on some other features atm.

If we removed these templates, we would have a much more standardized ladder :P basically every template that uses different settings

No love for MA.

I don't think removing any templates is a way to go. If anything, increasing the number of vetoes seems objectively better in every way than removing less popular settings.

No love for MA.

No love for LD, really. I don't see a single LD template on this ladder. Even if it disliked, there should be at least one or two LD templates on this ladder. (at least turkey, if not turkey and france)

No LD :( Games would drag for a couple months

Turkey LD games aren't that long

Agreed, even France LD games don't take that long to finish.
If some LD games last forever, it's often because a player doesn't realize he's already lost. It's a problem on the RT-ladder, where some players are not familiar with LD, but I don't think it would be a problem on the MD-ladder, where the level is higher and people know how to play LD.

Even if some games don't take forever, both those templates are pick lotteries so what's the point of including them when you can get the same effect with the duel map?

I like the idea of diversity on the mdl ladder. As Rento said, we could maybe give even more vetos to players if we include other settings like LD or even commanders (ok maybe not commanders) that some people like while others don't.

I would be fine seeing Beren's Commanders template on the ladder. It's better than the one on the rt ladder, tbh. (even if I don't like it much personally).

Don't think of this in terms of your personal likes and dislikes, guys. Think of this in terms of whether ideas support/ do not support what you feel the spirit of the mdl is.

Edited 1/27/2017 05:11:56

I am pretty sure ld would be vetoed by like 90% of the participants. I'd veto it for sure

Add turkey LD!

if you want a commander template (same for bomb btw) the mdl would have to be member only (api restrictions afaik). do you guys want that? ;)

Berens Commander template was alright , Its playable and I personally liked it a little.

Turkey LD would be fine for me if you want to have the LD variety there.. But I want more vetoes :(

I would prefer 7 card hold em Europe template by Qi much more then Sri Lanka.

if you want a commander template (same for bomb btw) the mdl would have to be member only (api restrictions afaik). do you guys want that? ;)

Unless MotD can program the clot so that it auto-vetoes any templates that the player doesn't have the required specs for, in this case membership.

if you want a commander template (same for bomb btw) the mdl would have to be member only (api restrictions afaik). do you guys want that? ;)

Unless MotD can program the clot so that it auto-vetoes any templates that the player doesn't have the required specs for, in this case membership.

That would basically mean that you have to choose if you want a membership or not with the account you are using in this ladder.
If you don't have you have some auto-vetoes which could actually give you an advantage over others since you know you don't have to prepare for those specific template while members have a change to play those templates against each other and get a small disadvantage of having a larger pool of templates they need to learn.

An option to work around it would be to give members then more vetoes which they can use on whichever template they prefer to use it on. When adding new templates for only members to the list you automaticly will also need to increase the number of vetoes for members as well and finding a balance on how much vetoes you get for a certain amount of member only templates might be hard to find as well

I assumed any (auto)veto would count against the veto limit, which wouldn't give an advantage to non-members. Members can always choose to veto the template as well, or veto another template instead. So I don't think there is an advantage for anyone in this system really as long as the number of auto-vetoed (non-member) templates is low of course.

So that means if htere are 10 member only settings and the total amount of vetoes would be 10 then all non members would have no vetoes left while the members can actually veto whichever of the like 80 templates or so by then they don't want to actually play. This would give members actually a very big advantage having the option to choose to veto whichever they like and non members would have all their votes gone by just not being a member.

Weekly update

Top 5 games of the week:

 MoD vs Buns             - http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12759427
 Timinator vs Panagiotis - http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12727767
 MoD vs Pardon           - http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12791601
 Malakkan vs Timinator   - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12737474
 Wini vs Njord           - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12781373

Current Top 20:



Rank 1-5

1. Buns picks up 6 wins on the trot to march back into 1st place! He also has a big win against 
   MoD this week which helps his cause.
2. Eventful week for MoD with a 11-5 record. He briefly managed the all time high of 1869, but 
   his losses drag him back down. His rating is down 39 points from last week.
3. Bad week for me as well. I have a 2-2 record and fall 12 points. No change in rank.
4. Panagiotis has 6 wins this week against the likes of MoD, Timinator and Pardon which 
   catapults him to 4th place. He gains a total of 97 points!
5. Timinator rejoins the ladder after his vacation and has a bad week going 2-3.

Rank 6-10

6.  Great week for AwesomeGuy who wins 5 out of 5. He rises 54 points, but there is no change 
    in his rank.
7.  Stunning week for Njord who wins 10 games on the bounce to rise to 7th gaining 18 ranks! 
    He also gains 143 points and has the best improvement this week.
8.  Another busy week for Pardon who finishes 17 games to end with a 10-7 record. His rating
    falls by 25 points.
9.  Beren win 2 games to gain 26 rating points. No change in rank.
10. Bad week for Malakkan who has a 9-11 record. However he falls only 11 points as he has 
    some big wins as well.

Rank 11-15

11. Yulian Provoke has a 6-7 record and drops 17 rating points. He also falls by 3 ranks.
12. Drunken Master plays 17 games this week to end with a 10-7 record. He also gains 52 points
    and 6 ranks. 
13. Smileyleg has finished 0 games this week and drops one rank.
14. Bad week for Wini who has a 3-8 record. He drops 87 points and falls down from 4th to 14th. 
15. Platinum has a 1-2 record and drops by 18 points.

Rank 16-20

16. LeQuébécois_Benoit loses one game to drop by 7 points.
17. culpa is ranked for the first time on the ladder and debuts at 17. Interested to see how 
    he fares.
18. Cluster has a 2-3 record this week and gains 2 points.
19. TheRiverStyxie picks up 3 losses to drop 44 points and 6 ranks.
20. Tjoex picks up 3 losses as well to drop 39 points and 5 ranks.

For the first time in the history of MDL, we have a top 10 where all players are rated 1600+
Here's to another week of competitive gaming!

Edited 1/30/2017 19:21:23