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Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:06:16


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Sure, but all politics is about imposing your value system (or well, imposing some aggregate of people's value systems) on the public. Religious and secular viewpoints can both be extremely impactful and also deeply wrong.

For me, it's important to exclude the smallest number of voices from the decision-making/discussion process.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:09:09


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Makes sense. There is a high likelihood we will have 90% certainty by this evening but there is still the slight chance you alluded to that this could drag on.

^We need more Massachusetts Republicans. They have sanity and do not support:

Hey, that's kinda me (though unenrolled). That said, they don't get very far on the national stage. Too centrist. Not far enough right to stand a chance against the Ted Cruz's of the country. Just look at what Romney had to do to his platform to get mainstream GOP backing and how he then fared at the national level.

Agree that those type of politicians are needed... problem is, our current political climate does not support them on either side of the fence.

Edited 11/8/2016 20:12:44
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:16:21


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^What if most people vote for legalizing rape (or de facto doing that)? What about executing homosexuals? Executing apostates? Executing secular people for being secular? Legalizing cannibalism? Exterminating a small group of people?


Democracy must be constrained by a fundamental respect for human rights and equal worth- or it invalidates its own basis. To implement policies of that sort is to exit a free and democratic society.

At the end of the day, democracy's not about making the right decisions- you can't look at this election and tell me that democracy optimizes for that- but instead about giving everyone a chance to be heard and allowing for us to actually engage in discussion about our values, beliefs, and viewpoints as a society so that we can move forward together.

Like Gandhi once put it- freedom means nothing without the freedom to make mistakes.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:16:33


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Speaking about the election. An American gave me this link: https://www.gofundme.com/i-want-to-escape-the-planet
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:22:24


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If you're free to only make the "correct" decision, you're not free at all.

It also hides a fundamental reality of democracy- we're probably wrong a lot of the time. Instead, why not face that head-on? Why not engage in dialogue from the perspective that there are real flaws in our positions?

Edited 11/8/2016 20:23:11
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:37:51


Des {TJC}
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This is the kind of Thread I'd read out loud. Primarily to showcase my Tabby voice. Secondly, to show everyone how god damn stupid people sound.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:41:36


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I'm in STEM. Voting rights should most certainly NOT be limited to those in STEM and STEM-related fields. It should be open to all. Period.

I would agree with saying that more STEM-centric people are needed in political positions. However, the lower-end jobs don't pay enough (compared to STEM fields) and I don't think STEM-centric people want to deal with the bullshit and lack of logic that comes with politics.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 20:56:43


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so you are in favor of censoring people because they disagree with your opinion?
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 21:01:22


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JEB SURGE
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 21:03:42


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I never said anything about intelligence. It's you who (incorrectly) assume STEM=intelligence. If anything, such bias is just as good a reason to remove voting rights as believing in the existence of ethnic groups.

In order for successful governance you need many viewpoints and many ways of thinking. You can't get that when you only allow people in one occupation or one way of thinking to have a say in matters.
- downvoted post by Wally Balls
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 21:33:49


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Even George W. Bush voted for Clinton. Over 40% of voters are dumber than him. What a time to be alive.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 21:35:15


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I think if trump wins florida this will be VERY close
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:02:17

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Shame that Clinton has 1.07 votes for every 1 Trump has in Florida.
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:04:06

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Even George W. Bush voted for Clinton
Not true. He voted for neither Trump nor Clinton, but down-ballot Republicans
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:05:18


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Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:06:59


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Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:09:51

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[removed]. Was going to post link but you beat me to it

Edited 11/8/2016 23:10:50
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-08 23:21:34


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Like not agreeing with Tabby
Hillary Clinton elected US President: 2016-11-09 00:39:53


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Tabby's America: Where only people with STEM degrees can vote, and the farmers who grow his food are stripped of rights.
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