There's a line between criticism and whining.

Those are not facts. I don't care. Let me know when you have some knowledge to share.

and your opinions are not facts neither so you should stop posting memes that whine about Trump. Let me know when you have some knowledge to share.

those are not facts, let me know when you have some knowledge to share.

There's a line between criticism and whining.

in this context, no, there is not. only whether or not you agree with or approve of the criticism. let me know when a law is passed that says you must agree with and approve of my criticism of Donald Trump -- until then, I will continue exercising my freedom of speech.

let me know when you have some knowledge to share

Fair Criticism of Trump:

This guy, he's a loose cannon and I worry that he can lead to problems down the line. I also don't like how his business can conflict with his interests as president.

Unfair Criticism of Trump:

He lost a billion dollars in a year, and hasn't released his tax-returns, so I don't think he is going to be a good president.

Whining:

Wtf America! How did we elect this crazy dude, are you guys afraid of Hillary or something? We had a perfect opportunity to make history and just because it was a woman means we get Trump!?

those are all criticism of Trump, some of it you evidently agree with so you characterize it as 'fair' and some of it you don't like so you characterize it as 'unfair' or 'whining' -- those labels are meaningless. you don't get to decide what criticisms people can and cannot have.

Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction.

i don't see anything in there about these three classes of criticism you claim there are, two of which people are not allowed to share. seems like all opinions and ideas are treated the same.

Edited 12/15/2016 23:39:53

those are all criticism of Trump, some of it you evidently agree with so you characterize it as 'fair' and some of it you don't like so you characterize it as 'unfair' or 'whining' -- those labels are meaningless. you don't get to decide what criticisms people can and cannot have.

First criticism: An actual argument as to why he wouldn't be a good president
Second criticism: Arguing that because of an unrelated to thing to governing, trump will be a bad president
Third criticism: Not an argument
Not found: Benjamin saying that you can't say the two latter

Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction.

I just read that again, still don't see anything in there about different classes of opinions and ideas, or whether other people have to agree with them, like them, or approve of them.

Not found: Benjamin saying that you can't say the two latter

What's the purpose of labeling them 'unfair' or 'whining' then? Clearly he's saying people shouldn't say those things. But that's not his call. Nobody gets to tell me how I can criticize Trump. I'll criticize him however the fuck I want.

I can see this post very much triggered you. You in your subconscious know that you are acting unfair about Trump and are subtly denying it. Also, I don't think creating fundraisers and petitions for faithless electors is accepting that Trump won.


Also, Jill Stein raising 7 million for recounts that there was a 99.999% chance of nothing changing??????????????????? Not very accepting to me. Also all the people saying Russia made Trump win with no evidence.

none of that gibberish made any sense. since you haven't addressed one of my arguments, i'll accept that as you admitting you were wrong.

Superkid's opinions are facts, it's impossible to slay him in an argument. He can say that Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler and it'd be true since he said it. It's over, FDR. You lost the chat.

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those are not facts, please come back when you have some knowledge to share.

You'd think Wally, our resident expert on the 1st Amendment, would know that Free speech also applies to those who disagree with your opinions.

You're free to keep spamming your criticism, but we're equally free to mock it. Free speech goes both ways.

everybody keeps shifting the goalposts. this started with somebody telling me to 'just accept' trump is president and stop criticizing him.

that is not somebody criticizing or disagreeing with me or my views -- it's somebody telling me to self censor, to not share my views at all.

i am arguing against that position, that i have a right to share my views.

if you disagree with me: then you need to be arguing that i don't have a right to share my views. if you think i do have a right to share my views, and that you also have a right to share your own, we are in agreement and you're just babbling irrelevant nonsense.

Believe it or not, not everyone in TJC has the same views as Eklipse.

Mind you, I'm not going to be the one airing out opinions on the public forum about one party or the other.

it's somebody telling me to self censor

yes, the same thing happened to my brother Faisal when he was posting many discussions about Fizzer's adequacy to moderate the WL Fora.