Voting has now closed and we have received all votes. They have been input into the CL9 document in the "Votes A/B" and "Votes Q1-Q4" tabs. We are giving clan leaders until the end of the day to correct any mistakes we might have made in transcription.

We will announce the results in around 24 hours.

Clan League Document: https://goo.gl/xT2dzg ("Votes A/B" and "Votes Q1-Q4" tabs)

Why do Votes A/B and Votes Q1-Q4 have exact same votes?

Bleh.. Copy paste error. Apologies.

There is a mistake: Lynx put Phobia at #2 and Old Strategic ME a lot lower. I believe you might have accidentally swapped them.

There is a mistake: Lynx put Phobia at #2 and Old Strategic ME a lot lower. I believe you might have accidentally swapped them.

We used automation to extract votes and you guys used a different template name which messed it up a bit. Sorry about that. I've fixed it now.

Edited 1/8/2017 03:01:43

Interesting results for 1v1 if the excel sheet I did download is correct ...
French Brawl and Battle Islands did not make it.

African Elitist, Volcano Island and Phobia in, never ever would have guessed that.

For me no suprises in 2v2 and 3v3 templates.

Indeed, I'm really surprised Volcano Island and Elitism made it. But it's a really good surprise, we'll have some different templates this time :)

Also, thanks again for your hard work, organizing all of this!

cool I just came here to check if my two favorite templates French Brawl and Battle Islands made it in and diss African Elitism

1v1 Elitist Africa, 1v1 Guiroma, 1v1 Old Strat ME, 1v1 Phobia, 1v1 Strat Greece, and 1v1 Volcano Island.
2v2 China, 2v2 Final Earth, and 2v2 Guiroma
3v3 Rome and Europe

thats what my sheet gave me

Templates used in Clan League 9:

Group A and B

Format              Template            Min. level required
1v1                 Elitist Africa	37
1v1                 Guiroma	        45
1v1                 Old Strat ME	41
1v1                 Phobia	        41
1v1                 Strat Greece	51 or Maps Pack
1v1                 Volcano Island	41

2v2                 China	        52 or Maps Pack
2v2                 Final Earth	        50 or Maps Pack
2v2                 Guiroma	        45

3v3                 Deadman's Rome	45
3v3                 Europe	        26

---

Groups Q1-4 : Stage 1

Format              Template            Min. level required
1v1                 Guiroma	        45
1v1                 Old Strat ME	41
1v1                 Volcano Island	41

2v2                 Guiroma	        45

3v3                 Deadman's Rome	45

---

Groups Q1-4 : Stage 2

Format              Template            Min. level required
1v1                 Elitist Africa	37
1v1                 Phobia	        41
1v1                 Strat Greece	51 or Maps Pack

2v2                 China	        52 or Maps Pack
2v2                 Final Earth	        50 or Maps Pack

3v3                 Europe	        26

---

The minimum level requirement for each template has been provided as well(Thanks to Great Expanse for compiling). This is just a guideline.

It is the responsibility of each clan to ensure that a player can create a game on the template they play. If the player has not unlocked every feature on the template, the CLOT will allocate losses to the player when it fails to create a game.

Thank you to everyone who voted. I'll follow up with the next steps shortly.

Thank you for your hard work! This looks good. Good luck to everybody! ^^

The biggest shock is Battle Islands not making it in: every clan voted it high, but no one chose it as #1.

Thanks a lot guys!

Battle Islands being out doesn't just mean Battle Island is out, It also means GreenTea doesn't go 6+0! :D

Volcano Island is what shocks me more ATM!

Good luck all.

Look, I like math, I haven't done a thorough analysis of STV, I'm just cherry-picking two results, and I don't mean to be the guy that pisses on the fire, but...

Just try the eye test. Here are the voting results for two templates:

1 2 3 3 3 4 4 6 7 7 8 9 9 10

1 2 3 3 8 9 9 9 10 10 10 11 11 12


First one is French Brawl (didn't make it)
Second one is Volcano Island (did make it)

*shrugs*

I get that there's a more complicated algorithm that compares them all and is dependent on what's being selected, but like advanced metrics in sports, sometimes they're useful and sometimes I wonder if we're overthinking it.

All that being said, not a big deal and thanks for your hard work as always. Just weird to me.

Edited 1/9/2017 02:45:08

@Turtle: this is how it works for me.

Counting votes for 3v3 template using Fractional Transfer STV.
4 candidates running for 2 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|Rome                       |India                      |Africa                     |Europe                     |Exhausted                  |Surplus                    |Threshold                  
======================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|                   5.000000|                   2.000000|                   2.000000|                   5.000000|                   0.000000|                   0.666666|                   4.666667
  |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidates Rome and Europe have reached the threshold and are elected.

Winners are Rome and Europe.

Counting votes for Title using Fractional Transfer STV.
6 candidates running for 3 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|2v2 China            |2v2 Cookies          |2v2 Final Earth      |2v2 Guiroma          |2v2 Strat ME         |2v2 Szeurope         |Exhausted            |Surplus              |Threshold            
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|             4.000000|             0.000000|             3.000000|             4.000000|             2.000000|             1.000000|             0.000000|             0.999998|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidates 2v2 China and 2v2 Guiroma have reached the threshold and are elected. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 2|             4.000000|             0.124999|             3.000000|             3.500001|             2.374997|             1.000000|             0.000003|             0.499999|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 2v2 Guiroma with a transfer value of 0.499999/4.000000. Candidates 2v2 China and 2v2 Guiroma were tied when choosing surplus to transfer. Candidate 2v2
  | Guiroma was chosen by breaking the tie randomly. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 3|             3.500001|             0.249998|             3.124999|             3.500001|             2.499996|             1.124999|             0.000006|             0.000000|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 2v2 China with a transfer value of 0.499999/4.000000. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for
  | the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 4|             3.500001|                     |             3.249998|             3.500001|             2.499996|             1.249998|             0.000006|             0.000000|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 2v2 Cookies and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 5|             3.500001|                     |             4.499996|             3.500001|             2.499996|                     |             0.000006|             0.999995|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 2v2 Szeurope and transferring votes. Candidate 2v2 Final Earth has reached the threshold and is elected.

Winners are 2v2 China, 2v2 Final Earth, and 2v2 Guiroma.

Ballot file contains 14 non-empty ballots.

Counting votes for 1v1 CL9 using Fractional Transfer STV.
12 candidates running for 6 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|1v1 Battle I|1v1 Belarus |1v1 Elitist |1v1 French B|1v1 Guiroma |1v1 Laketown|1v1 Malvia  |1v1 Old Stra|1v1 Phobia  |1v1 Strat Gr|1v1 Volcano |1v1 Yin'angz|Exhausted   |Surplus     |Threshold   
  |slands V    |            |Africa      |rawl        |            |            |            |t ME        |            |eece        |Island      |hou         |            |            |            
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    3.000000|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    1.000000|    0.000000|    0.999999|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidate 1v1 Guiroma has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 2|    0.333333|    0.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.333333|    1.333333|    1.000000|    0.000000|    0.333332|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Guiroma with a transfer value of 0.999999/3.000000. Candidate 1v1 Strat Greece has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 3|    0.333333|    0.000000|    2.142856|    1.047618|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.142856|    0.000002|    0.142855|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Strat Greece with a transfer value of 0.333332/2.333333. Candidate 1v1 Elitist Africa has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have
  | surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 4|    0.342856|    0.000000|    2.000001|    1.114283|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.066665|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.142856|    0.000004|    0.066664|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Elitist Africa with a transfer value of 0.142855/2.142856. Candidate 1v1 Phobia has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 5|    0.342856|    0.000000|    2.000001|    1.116433|    2.000001|    0.032256|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Phobia with a transfer value of 0.066664/2.066665. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred
  | for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 6|    0.342856|            |    2.000001|    1.116433|    2.000001|    0.032256|            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Belarus and 1v1 Malvia and transferring votes. Since this is the first elimination round, all candidates without any votes are eliminated. No candidates have surplus
  | votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 7|    0.342856|            |    2.000001|    1.148689|    2.000001|            |            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Laketown and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 8|            |            |    2.000001|    1.158212|    2.000001|            |            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.666666|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Battle Islands V and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 9|            |            |    2.000001|            |    2.000001|            |            |    2.116433|    2.000001|    2.000001|    2.666666|    1.216891|    0.000006|    0.783097|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 French Brawl and transferring votes. Candidates 1v1 Old Strat ME and 1v1 Volcano Island have reached the threshold and are elected.

Winners are 1v1 Elitist Africa, 1v1 Guiroma, 1v1 Old Strat ME, 1v1 Phobia, 1v1 Strat Greece, and 1v1 Volcano Island.

@Bonsai:

Here is a youtube video that explains STV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
The advantage here is that you get what you vote for, if what you have voted for is already elected then your vote goes to your 2nd choice etc.
Thats caled surplus votes and probably what confuses you here.

You could manually check the votes, they are all in the spreadsheet. If you want to do that its easiest if you do the 3v3 vote, not that much work.

There is also an online tool where you check results: http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html

Edit: threshold = 2.000001

Round 1: 	Lynx votes Volcano Island. VI = 1.0
Round 2: 	VI gets 0.333333 surplus votes from Guiroma being elected(GG). 	VI = 1.33
Round 3-7: 	VI doesnt get any more votes, but doesnt get eliminated
Round 8:	Battle Island gets eliminated. this was Turtles 2nd choice, the surplus vote of 0.33 goes to VI. 	VI = 1.66
Round 9: 	Here it gets interesting!
		FB=1.158212
		VI=1.666666
		Yinangzhou=1.175112 	
		French Brawl gets eliminated. BIA's vote of FB as #1 goes to their 2nd choice with the value of 1.0 (VI).
		VI reaches threshold and gets elected.

Edited 1/9/2017 04:18:47

@linberson,
It may be better if you put all this in a document and share a link to that instead. I hope my post doesn't get buried under this, which will lead to complaints that people weren't aware of the templates etc.

@motd: I would have said put it on first page, but Beren already did. Too tired now for extra document. I might do it later... as in never if nobody bugs me about it. =D

@all: Templats were decided! check motds post. and Berens. and the other thread: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/231273-clan-league-9-roster-lineup

Edited 1/9/2017 04:25:52

I read into detail on that voting method about a year ago when someone proposed it on anothe league. It seems like a real cool way to choose winners, even if it is hard to explain.

So, to sum things up, template which almost nobody wants can be elected over the one who is preferred by many, just because those few who wants the first will guess right which other templates will be voted in.
It looks it is the case for both Volcano Island and Elitist Africa (which is elected despite the fact that 8 out of 14 clans voted it 8th or worse). On the other hand, Battle Islands received no worst that 7th position, but didn't made it.
Votes under (I estimate) 4th one do not matter any more. If you really dislike a template, there is no way to prevent it from entering CL, if E.g. few clans will made arrangement to upvote it. And if you have B-clan in division B, your chances for rigging of voting process increases very rapidly.

I have proposal how to make it more fair. After 1st (or more, if they are) template will made in it in first step, resolve cut-down within templates voted 12, (1 or more for certain stage), and eliminate "worst selection". Then return to up (again, counting until at least 1 template will not be voted in), then to down and so on until selection of templates will be made.