Any chance that this could be changed to cyclic as apposed to NLC?

The seasonal hasn't yet started and it shouldn't be hard to change it yet

Edited 1/8/2017 15:01:37

pretty pretty please

Yes. Please change it to cyclic. No-Luck Cycle makes no fun and i'm pretty sure it wasn't intentionally submitted with NLC. Cycle suits that template better and i think the majority of the community would agree with me on that one.

The template originally had contained Cycle. NLC got into the template because there was a huge coin tournament on it. You have to have NLC on coin games.

NLC on MD games is never a good idea. Cyclic is the way to go.

yes nlc got in by accident cause whoever submitted africa first, used a link from a coingame. if fizzer can be bothered to Change that, it would be better.

The example games on MotD's page are all cyclic, so using NLC for seasonal is confusing. I didn't realize it was NLC when the template was submitted. I vote to change it to cycle as well. This template is confusing to new players and people with color blindness. I think it's better not to pressure them to pick quickly.

I would disagree, I think No-luck Cycle works better for this template
-> on some games, there is 1 pick (in exceptional lands for example) clearly superior to all the others.
-> on other games, there are only 13 "decent" picks, and starting with the 14th you need to pick in mountains or swamps.

Since it can be really advantageous to get the first pick (and to avoid the 14th), I think it's only fair to give it to the fastest picker, rather than to give it randomly.

but suppose you have 3 ISOLATED exceptional lands
and you want to have 2 of them.so whoever stalls the picks the most gets 2 of them,thereby getting clear advantage through nlc

Nooooooo, no NLC!

NLC with a confusing and hard to see bonus system is going to suck for people new to the template.

but suppose you have 3 ISOLATED exceptional lands
and you want to have 2 of them.so whoever stalls the picks the most gets 2 of them,thereby getting clear advantage through nlc

Yeah, for sure it is a possibility. But I believe it is a less likely one, so far I've seen more Elitist Africa games where getting the first pick was an advantage.

The thing is, a lot of games won't be 100% fair on picks, and it doesn't matter if we choose cyclic or NLC, some players will have an advantage. And in most cases, it will be players who get first pick.
In my opinion, the only thing we can do is trying to reduce that advantage. I think the best way to do that, is to give the first pick to the player who "deserves" it more, the one who took more risks and played faster.

Otherwise, I'm worried some players might complain at the end of the season, that they lost a game (or the seasonal) because they didn't get their first pick. (And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong.)

i agree 100 % with rakleader

Wait, how are you reducing the advantage of the first pick by making it by speed? Doesn't that give MORE advantage to the person who can analyze the picks faster? I think your argument is completely backwards.

Ryrio definitely has a point here. U can get games with the 1 best pick, but it's not that uncommon, that u get a game where u have an advantage with the 2nd and 3rd pick so it all comes down to stalling on picks on these games.

I give u an example. The time starts running with the click on the begin button.

U don't know which game u get, but since u know that it might be a game u need to stall long on picks to get the better picks, u click the begin button as fast as possible after the game is created to get the "stalling time" running. If u do that u probably don't have much time and might be on the phone as well so u can't pick that fast as well. If u now get a game with 1 clear best pick, than u are kind of fucked, because u can't pick as fast as u could while u're on pc or while u have time to pick.

Another thing on NLC is, that games are created the same time of the day as far as i now, so that gives certain time zones an advantage over others.

I heard games are created always on midnight GMT. That means some timezones have a huge advantage over others since they will receive the games not during the night but instead in the evening.

And also people who are more online will have an advantage. How can that be fair?

F.ex. i'm sleeping during that time, because i have to get up early in the morning during the week and can't stay up that long every day or every 3rd day. In all honesty. That issue is really bad and i could say a few other words to describe that as well.

Edited 1/8/2017 17:15:47

Wait, how are you reducing the advantage of the first pick by making it by speed? Doesn't that give MORE advantage to the person who can analyze the picks faster? I think your argument is completely backwards.

Sorry, perhaps I used the wrong words.

If two players have equal analyzing skills, then the one who picks faster takes more risks. Perhaps he rushes his picks in order to get the first pick, perhaps he doesn't bother to double-check or triple-check the order of his picks.
Anyway, the advantage he gains by getting first pick is reduced by the fact that he had less time than his opponent to select his picks.

If one player can analyse picks faster than his opponent... well then sure, he has an advantage. But at least he deserves it, since he's better at analysing picks. It's not an unfair advantage as it can happen with cyclic move order.

If two players have equal analyzing skills, then the one who picks faster takes more risks. Perhaps he rushes his picks in order to get the first pick, perhaps he doesn't bother to double-check or triple-check the order of his picks.
Anyway, the advantage he gains by getting first pick is reduced by the fact that he had less time than his opponent to select his picks.

If one player can analyse picks faster than his opponent... well then sure, he has an advantage. But at least he deserves it, since he's better at analysing picks. It's not an unfair advantage as it can happen with cyclic move order.

Bear in mind that we are also talking about a specific time these games are created. Those are fixed. I am personally able to be present when they are created (and 72 hours later, same time 3 days later for the above mentioned waiting tactic) and that puts me at huge advantage for most games even if I take my time, assuming most of people will be offline at that given time. I don't want that though, that's clearly favouring geographical locations and/or certain patterns. There are people who log every 2 days or so and they would likely be on the receiving end of this, seriously affecting their chances of getting a fair result because they...you know, sleep. Or work.

Edited 1/8/2017 17:24:37

I don't really see a problem with nlc as most people do. Although changing it would be better and beneficial it wouldn't create a catastrophic problem if Elitism Africa was in nlc or not.

Keep in mind that it might be a bigger disadvantage to click the begin button at a Point where it actually doesn't fit you. you might realize, that it would actually be advantageous if you got first pick... then you have to rush picks and will do bad ones.

Yeah, can't wait for backlash on this one.