and trump is related to the KKK......

He's not, this is completely bunk.

Fortunately some countries and their governments still have dignity and some moral standards, to provide aid for those who are desperately in need.

Governments don't have dignity, tsh

And tsh, these are non-refugee migrant pricks who take advantage of the system. There are some refugees of course, but most of these people are migrants.

Tbh, it's pretty funny seeing a hard statist German. If you want to see the fate of the huge governments you lot have constructed over the years, just look at the Battle of Berlin.

In the race for the candidacy, even the Republicans admitted he had nobody holding him back. He wasn't tied down to the backdoor dealings of an interest group. [..]
In the end, I chose Trump because his promises weren't held back by any group, any organization, any behind-the-scene exchanges.

oh come on. he owns a billion dollar organization and unashamedly abused his office for advertisement for his family organization. furthermore most of his cabinet consists of lobbyists. not to mention shady deals with foreign governments in favour for his own benefits.

He had nobody to rein him in, which meant he could deliver on those promises.

which promises? he doesnt make definite statements.

PS: TPP and NAFTA are bad.

agree on TTIP, but his entire policy so far only showed his lack of understanding for globalization or society/social structures. He is only interested in his own welfare and everyone else are means for the purpose. and therefore TTIP was luckily sacrificed for the wrong reasons.

Germany gives welfare money to known ISIS fighters, not just refugees. And at least 70% of the "refugees" don't fulfill the criteria of the Geneva Convention, probably a lot more.

source!

The NPD. I mean, trying to overthrow democracy for any reason would merit a ban of a party as far as I'm concerned. But if it's leftists wanting to do that, then it's OK I guess.

first of all. this has nothing to do with trump. and second you are utterly wrong and have no clue what you are talking about. in german (BRD) history was only one party banned for *trying to overthrow democracy* which was the KPD the communistic party of germany. it is rather the complete opposite of your depiction!

The Australian rag explains it better and has a link to the original CNN article.

and you still quoted a rag, a source with a source with a source and so on is no source! otherwise we can start to use wikipedia as source. so as long as you dont show me a source it didnt happen ...

Btw this is exactly the reasoning that Goebbels used to justify treating the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as truth even though he knew the book was a fabrication. You say you are against the nazis, but you have an awful lot in common with them.

not sure where this came from... inspiration a priori?

Maybe everyone has the government it deserves. I just like to know what this farce is all about. =D

I guess there is no point in providing sources since even if I do, you don't want to read them. Google it if you want.

With regards to the NPD, they at least had a trial with the intention of banning them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the Democratic Party or parts of it.

not sure where this came from... inspiration a priori?

Maybe everyone has the government it deserves. I just like to know what this farce is all about. =D

In a democracy like the US, yes. Unlike in the EU, where the unelected bureaucrat Jean-Claude Juncker calls the democratically elected prime minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, a dictator for not following the insane EU refugee policies. The Irish loan package was another immemorable event where, after the Irish people voted no, the EU made them vote again! In the light of this, I would imagine you have bigger problems than the US populace voting wrong, no?

In the light of this, I would imagine you have bigger problems than the US populace voting wrong, no?

and still this thread is about supporting trump. I really dont know why this is so hard to get.. If your support is based on a childish blame game, you may dont even know yourself why you chose your political point of view.

With regards to the NPD, they at least had a trial with the intention of banning them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the Democratic Party or parts of it.

the trial is for good reasons, like commited acts of violence, murder and subversion. we wouldnt have a functional right system, if those crimes wouldnt be charged. The SPD has nothing in common with any kind of felonies like this. Your statement only reveals some fascistic and chauvinistic tendencies, which you should really consider to rethink.

I guess there is no point in providing sources since even if I do, you don't want to read them.

dont blame others if you are not able to make a citation properly.

Google it if you want.

still no source!

and still this thread is about supporting trump. I really dont know why this is so hard to get.. If your support is based on a childish blame game, you may dont even know yourself why you chose your political point of view.

If you want to keep this thread about genuine interest why people chose Trump, then why do you constantly attack people when they tell why? And why do you lament that people get the government they deserve, implying that the US chose wrong?

the trial is for good reasons, like commited acts of violence, murder and subversion. we wouldnt have a functional right system, if those crimes wouldnt be charged. The SPD has nothing in common with any kind of felonies like this. Your statement only reveals some fascistic and chauvinistic tendencies, which you should really consider to rethink.

If I'd meant the SPD, I would have said the *Social* Democratic Party. I was referring to a party in the USA, called the Democratic Party. Ever heard of them? Anyway, the leftist anger after Trump win in the states has certainly included demands of deposing Trump, the democratically elected president, and violence on the streets. I'd be surprised if nobody has died as a result of leftist rage in the recent months.

Trump had new ideas and was much more charismatic than Clinton. It's as simple as that IMO. Charisma wins elections.

Also, fuck political correctness. Because when you call about 45% of a democracy's population Nazis, racists, bullies, deplorables, sexists, and misogynists , you devalue what the word means.

It's incivility (not political correctness). I don't see too much difference between Muslims who ask people not to assume that they are terrorists and Republicans who ask people not to assume that they are racist. Insert whatever stereotype of any other group you want to add.

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Trump had new ideas

which ideas have been new and appealing to you?

Charisma wins elections.

Im not sure if I would call a racist, molesting, senile douche-bag-grandfather with clear megalomania and almost zero understanding for politics charismatic, but this might be only my personal impression.

I thought Trump was a terrible choice for president and didn't vote for him.

Trump had new ideas


which ideas have been new and appealing to you?

The idea that:

-Open borders are retarded

-Muslim "refugees" i.e. economic migrants are a categorical negative, leading to increased spending, derailment of social cohesion, and cultural warfare on one's own soil.

The neocons include GWB and John McCain are completely in bed with the idea of mass immigration and Islamization of the West.

-NATO countries should pay for their own militaries instead of leeching off America (Europe regains some degree of sovereignty and control over its Western destiny)

-Strongarming China one of our greatest enemies

Honestly his entire platform was built on new ideas. The neocons/neolibs are the old guard plutocrats.

Im not sure if I would call a racist, molesting, senile douche-bag-grandfather with clear megalomania and almost zero understanding for politics charismatic, but this might be only my personal impression.

I am a racialist so correct me if I'm wrong but all the Democrats seem to be capable of is racebaiting. You'd need only compare race relations before and after Obama. It is the politicians' and the media's dishonesty that has provoked and supported mass riots.

I AM a racialist but Trump and the Right meet where we concede that the race war perpetuated by the left is inauthentic and is inwardly motivated by the desired destruction of white America, and it is only useful insofar as it isolated the two sides - this has already been accomplished. Otherwise there's no reason, as a white person, to submit to a regime that always acts against your interests. When Trump, who, unlike the Democrats actually does believe in multiracialism while not vehemently opposing white interest, ends up dividing the country anyway, then he is the ideal political leader for that transition.

The other stuff you said was just sophistry so I just ignored it.

A lot of Americans view Trump as charismatic, especially compared to most of the other candidates. His rallies were packed, he spoke in ways that kept people entertained. I guess people just like a loud, rude, blunt asshole who likes to make fun of people and kiss random children on stage without consent. Welcome to my country. :)

I don't like Trump at all because he calls me fat. Which I am not, obviously! And his wife and daughters are anorexic, it's ugly. Oink!

You're anorexic too, Rosie! Oink!

I might be. Should I eat a burger or two just to be more healthy?

FAKE NEWS

I am a Conservative Republican, so I don't like Trump all that much; his economic policies are against free trade, which is the foundation of the Conservative economic policy. For Clarification, I supported Scott Walker until he dropped out, and then Ted Cruz, once he dropped, I didn't support any candidate, but if you put a gun to my head and told me to choose, I would have chosen Trump 100%.

That said, here is essentially why I am happy he is in the white house instead of Hilary:

George W. Bush gave more money (by a large margin) to helping African's than any president, Republicans and (especially) Evangelical Republicans help Africa more than any left leaning organization ever has, and yet the media has shouted "Racist" at us every day (even though Hillary & most of the Democratic party championed Harry Byrd (Jr.)... A guy who was a high member of the K.K.K., and who used the term "White Nigger" on TV until his death in 2013).

Republicans love the family, and wish to see it flourish with the atomic family model, raising children as best as can be; for this we are labelled "Homophobic/Sexist Bigots" when we bring up our biologically scientific views on matters such as Abortion, and we are criticized for not caring about the Children enough despite us trying to fix the broken system putting them in poverty at the cost of the taxpayer.

Republicans see a crisis in Germany & Sweden (which, yes... there is a migrant crisis @whichever German guy said there wasn't... look at your crime statistics... the ones your government tried to cover up. When over 40% of the crime in your country of 102+ Million people are from immigrants, that is bad.), look at the ideology that causes it and say "That is detrimental to the Republic values of the West", we get labelled "Xenophobic/Nazi Fascist Scum" for not wanting to let them in without vetting them.

Both Republicans and Moderate Democrats are constantly targets of progressive(/regressive) movements like 3rd Wave Feminism, Black Lives Matter, the LGBTPQAI+ (However many letters are in that damn thing now... I forgot if the P was for Pansexual or Pedophile... it could be both).


Who are the ones committing these slanderous lies for virtue signalling? The Mainstream Media, Progressive Outlets, and Shillary Clinton.


Are we right on each of those issues? Maybe, or maybe not, we can have that discussion (or... not... if the free speech repealing acts keep getting presented); but can we all agree that, if you are trying to have a political discussion, and every time you make a point, you get Ad-Hom'd (no matter what side you are on, Redneck or Libtard), at some point you get a bit agitated, start flipping people off, and then go about your business... and Donald Trump is that Middle Finger.

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Here is my response to specific clauses that irk me:

"i guess if you're a dimwitted loser who is angry about how shitty your life is and want to get revenge on all the people you blame for your problems, that might seem like your best option.

... Patriarchy, Institutional Racism, etc... What you are saying moreso fits with Progressive voters and Hillary... Donald Trump wasn't that kind of candidate, as Republicans don't vote like that.

Might be true, that trump's politics most appeal to the poor earners. but his politics doesnt favor them. it is anti-social and even cuts off the few existing grants for the middle- and underclass. while the *swamp*, the tiny elite of billionaires, who is now going to change politics for their own goods, is extended.
so this must be some kind of rough masochism or blind rage, where most trump supporters hit themselves big time. which is what I still dont get. why would anyone even consider to increase personal harm, instead of avoiding it..?

A lot of Trump's Econimic policies are populist and on the left of the aisle... which is why I didn't support them... ball's in your court. (Also, the same argument can be said about Welfare.. Give me the response to "Why do black voters vote for Welfare despite it actually hurting them in the longrun?")

That has always confused me about poor republicans. Republican policies are designed to fuck them over but they give them their guns and racism and they are happy.

^ Precisely the crap I am tired of, and this is the prick that downvoted every disagreeing viewpoint as well I believe. Republican's give more money to charities, are generally more hosptiable, and have more outreach to helping African countries... so how are we all racist gun loving rednecks and opressive patriarchal rich businessmen again?

Dude, because of Trump, most places other than Russia will have war with you

Citation needed.

good point. so what is a democratic election without alternatives?

... We aren't a democracy, and we don't have Democratic Elections. We are a Constitutional Republic.

A refugee crisis or migration wave the USA is most and forward responsible for, don't you think? what exactly is the social justice plaque? this sounds like an oxymoron to me. what is so bad about obamacare? do you guys even realize that a state healthcare is even a great and in general efficient business model? you can make a lot of money and create new jobs with health insurances, beyond affordable healthcare for everyone.

point by point;

1. Well, lets assume you are right... you are crying over spilled milk, nonetheless I believe you to be wrong in that America caused militant jihadists to kill people, and then people to use that as an opportunity to leave.

2. A social Justice plague is the current progressive movements that use lies, virtue signaling, and mythical talking points to press for more restrictive speech, and more burdens placed on straight/white/christian/male/cis people through discriminatory laws. (also, side point... how is what the person you were responding to an Oxymoron? the way he worded it, it was impossible for him to have contradicted himself within its own context?)

3. Obamacare is bad for the economy. Government Healthcare is bad for the economy... Healthcare is a commodity, not a right (in America... as it would be too damn costly to make it otherwise), and as a commodity, when you only have one central business and no competition, they decide the rates, they have the monopoly, and they don't have to care.

E.g. The post office was shit and didn't care until USP started up and beat them at everything... now they do care.

first of all which news? sources or it didnt happen!

The media attacked trump all throughout his election bid with fake news stories, and they are still doing it to people that aren't even on the right (take the whole "Pewdiepie is a nazi" debacle)

but for this specific incident:
(The original article by Buzzfeed)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.nqP2ppr9RQ#.wrVZxxnl9e
http://www.dailystormer.com/legacy-media-falls-for-trump-golden-showers-4chan-troll/
https://sputniknews.com/us/201701111049498477-media-mocking-cnn-buzzfeed-trump-report/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/here-full-35-page-report-alleging-trump-was-cultivated-supported-and-assisted-russia
http://www.ibtimes.com/golden-shower-gate-dossier-timeline-everything-we-know-about-donald-trumps-alleged-2475224
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pissgate-golden-showers-controversy
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/fake-news-buzzfeed-cnn-fall-trump-piss-story-4chan-prank/

^ That enough?

So it's no big deal in a democracy if a big chunk of a major party wants to ignore the will of the people? In Germany, they have a party with 1% support that would like to overthrow democracy, and they tried to outlaw it, didn't they?

^ Precisely the reasoning the founding fathers gave when describing why we ARE NOT a Democracy XD

I am a Conservative Republican, so I don't like Trump all that much

then you're not conservative.

(slightly) less civil freedoms for what he thinks to make better society? ✓
(slightly) more economic freedoms for less social programmes? ✓

I can't really take seriously a guy who thinks Christians are undergoing a genocide in America, though. but just one more thing, this often gets brought up even by good-witted folk.

look at your crime statistics... the ones your government tried to cover up.

guys guys I work with the CIA right and i can tell you right now (yeah they're going to come after me for this but i'm a rebel!) that america is doing a genocide of whiteskins! yeah ! ordered by the orangeskin Trump the government's trying to cover it up but I EXPOSED them.

now you hate Trump.

(slightly) less civil freedoms for what he thinks to make better society? ✓

"Slightly"

(slightly) more economic freedoms for less social programmes? ✓

Then why has he passed reforms that push counter to that, and hasn't gotten rid of any of those social programs yet or even moved to?


I can't really take seriously a guy who thinks Christians are undergoing a genocide in America, though. but just one more thing, this often gets brought up even by good-witted folk.

I don't believe this.


As for the thing about Germany covering up their rapes...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/06/cologne-police-reveal-cover-new-years-eve-rape-attacks-ordered-government/
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55280
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768980/Sweden-cover-up-migrant-rape-violent-crime
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/25428-swedish-police-government-covering-up-huge-migrant-crime-spree
https://www.infowars.com/german-government-worries-about-islamophobia-after-muslim-refugee-rapes-kills-woman/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/
http://www.therebel.media/german_government_tried_to_cover_up_rape_in_cologne_muslim_rape_attack_nye


^ Is that enough for you?

Relm did you actually just cite Breitbart?
Don't make me laugh.