Did mine not go through? I definitely submitted one!

Make sure you pick the "None" option after you have chosen all the templates you wish to remove. This will "submit" your vote.

Yeah that almost got me as well

Only 10 responses so far(AG, THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT, Muli, MotD, Edge, krunx, LeQuébécois_Benoit, Njord, Wakanarai, MoD) which is quite disappointing :|

My guess: There are MDL players who are okay with having what's being provided to them, because they have a confidence in the way things are arranged (on the MDL) and because they feel they lack a sort of a critical understanding of the templates that'd let them suggest some changes.

I'm one of them. And it's a fair guess to think that there may be other players who share these thoughts.

The point: Don't get disappointed. Having 10 responses doesn't imply that noone cares about making improvements in the MDL.

So, how's it going?

The guys are talking among each other. I'll report back once they finish :p

You not used to guys tacking to each other? Oh yeah, those whom you master, dont talk :P

Reading just now, but I put myself in the Ƨillynamenace category.

REALLY apreciating your work, enjoyng the ladder a lot, but feeling to puny to even think about modifications. :-)

Thank you to everyone who weighed in with their suggestions. A template panel of 8 players has discussed all of the suggestions and decided to make the following changes.

For detailed comments from the panel, see - https://goo.gl/uwv6js

• Templates removed:
  

  Gravic Swamp         http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=1006752
  Red Dead Redemption  http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=980608
  Rad Osil             http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=1006746
  Cosmo Land           http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=988648
  Gelvien Islands      http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940658 
  Eberron World        http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=988665
  Qina                 http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940639
  Sri Lanka            http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=989159

  
  These templates have been retired from MDL and can be seen on the home page.
  

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• Templates with minor changes:
  

  EA&O         http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940663
  Changed from 0% SR to 0% WR
  Baltic Sea - http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940675
  Changed Russia from +3 to +2.

  
  These changes have been made.

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• Templates undergoing testing:
  

  Battle for Middle Earth   http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940673
  Black Sea                 http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940669
  Austria Airports          http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=940676

  
  
  
  
  Once the tests are complete, I will make the final round of changes. If anyone has new template recommendations for MDL, please post them here so the panel can consider them.

Edited 7/10/2017 09:49:45

Here is my opinion on Phobia and EA&O:

Phobia is played as SR in CL. EA&O is played with SR in rt-ladder. I know some do prefer WR, but in general it is a very bad idea to have such changes in the template, as not all will notify them. I would prefer to remove these templates and add in new ones.

Edited 7/10/2017 11:28:42

Please don't ruin blacksea with super bonuses :( It's fine as it is imo

Phobia is played as SR in CL. EA&O is played with SR in rt-ladder. I know some do prefer WR, but in general it is a very bad idea to have such changes in the template, as not all will notify them. I would prefer to remove these templates and add in new ones.

Don't like this reasoning. By this logic, you would never get 0%SR MME as 0%WR ME was the default 1v1 ladder template for a long time. Also, some settings don't play well in knockout competitions(which is why the CL panel made those decisions). In a continuous setting like MDL, these settings should be encouraged.
MDL has such a wide range of templates that you have to refresh yourself on settings at the start of every game.

Template improvements should be encouraged regardless of how widespread a template is. Whether these changes are an improvement, is a different discussion.

i don't like the concept of template tweaking, players take time to get used to those specific settings, and by the time they recognize the map for those settings you have made it different, this makes people keep having to double check settings or make mistakes.

then templates get removed without any proper reason, which is even worse. if you want reasons to remove templates please remove the ones that are most veto'ed, not based on a jury of 6 who are fighting the WR/SR politics.

i still have no fucking clue how phobia or hannibal at the gates settings are because they keep changing!

the settings is listed in the text, so it will require very little effort to check them. i very often check since i cant remember all those temps(as i suspect many do). also its not like there its changing all of the time, it happens very rarely.

i just disagree with you about the last part, if it was by popular vote(vetoes) all the special settings would be gone, and we would just end up with 20 times 3x4 SR 0%.

Edited 7/10/2017 17:14:08

i don't like the concept of template tweaking, players take time to get used to those specific settings, and by the time they recognize the map for those settings you have made it different, this makes people keep having to double check settings or make mistakes.

If there is a weak/bad template which doesn't play well, it should be changed. I understand that players take time to practice templates, but it should be straightforward to carry over concepts. Given that there are 42+ templates on the ladder, I would assume that you check settings on every game.

then templates get removed without any proper reason, which is even worse. if you want reasons to remove templates please remove the ones that are most veto'ed, not based on a jury of 6 who are fighting the WR/SR politics.

Read the document linked. Everyone has given detailed reasons on each template and then arrived at a consensus. There isn't any SR/WR politics at play here. Removing templates by vetoes is absurd. The ladder would quickly lose all niche templates like MA, no split etc. This model of template revisions has already been used successfully in CL, and I think the panel did a great job without bias.

Phobia is actually a rare case since i remember both the SR and WR version (same settings except that one) to be pretty popular so you just gotta check it every game you play on that template to know which of the 2 you are actually playing.
This is 1 of the templates i would personally like to have the rounding mode actually in the game name so we at least can see it directly as which version of the template we are playing.
Possibly just have both of them on the ladder and if someone doesn't like WR just let them veto it so they know if they get the template it's SR version.

recommended template:
Great Lakes Basin, Limited Full Distr.

8 start territories x 3 armies, 4 base income
all neutrals are 2 armies
No cards
random move order, 0%SR

You're given 16 territories at the picking stage. Starting in 8 territories, you have full intel on where your opponent is.

As I wrote in a previous post, we don't seem to have a template of this sort.

example game:

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12944953

Edited 7/11/2017 07:26:24

^I 2nd that (bias alert)

I also have another lim full dist...
Template: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=772829
Example game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13764522

They don't have to be mine, but I really like the unique play style of LFD. My 2nd one above is also Local Deployments, but it doesn't require railroading armies all over.

At any rate, would be nice to have some underused elements. Do you use local deployments at all on MDL?


Sorry I did not respond to this thread before now. I went out of town for a while, was only mobile...and was not checking the forums hardly at all. I totally missed this thread.

Anyway, I applaud this effort, and I would have helped, but I honestly would not have been a great asset as I have not played MDL in a while (there were too many templates for me to learn, so I dropped off). I will definitely join it again at some point soon though.


Also, I like tweaking templates, so long as the change is noted in the description (so people notice it).

Edited 7/11/2017 22:39:56

Do you use local deployments at all on MDL?

Yes. http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=989162

Wow, there is auto distribution on here (Greece)? I just got totally f'd on auto picks in my game. Why auto dist? I am not sure I can even win my game based on the picks.

He has first turn bonus, I have no bonus I can even get in two turns as he has counters on all of them. Plus he has a 5 bonus that is safe as well.

Sorry, I am in shock that people actually want a possible lotto game on this ladder:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13796525

Edited 7/12/2017 04:15:54

Most games are even after distribution. This is one of the most balanced auto-dist templates on WL imo.

Regarding the game you linked, I'd like to play on that board(invite me if you like!). I'll take your starts and you take your opponent's. I'm not claiming I'm going to win, but I think it would be an interesting game :p

Fun fact - I've played such games against people making similar claims(from the so called weaker position). My record so far is 5-1 :p