if i made numbers for the picks on a bord and i would just use a random number generator and i would get counters, what then? would i still have played better then the one that actully picked or?

What is your point? This is what I said (many many posts ago):

"I don't like Auto Dist because you have less of an expectation that the person who plays better will actually win."

I did NOT say it is impossible for the player who plays better to still lose because of luck...on what is almost a no luck template (1v1 ladder).

I simply said I don't like auto dist because you are even MORE likely to lose even if you outplay the other person.

I found my original statement that sparked this:

"I want the person who played better to win every time."

Wanting it and it being true are diff things. That guy that beat Dom did not deserve nor earn the win. Does that mean since people get lucky on the 1v1 ladder, we should put MORE luck into other ladders? I really don't understand what you are arguing. Do you think auto dist is BETTER than manual on that template or not? I have not seen anyone say it makes it better. They just say that it is the most balanced template they have seen on auto dist. I will skip the best of a bad bunch analogies. I enjoyed the game, I just would have preferred to pick, that is all.

It feels like Njord is arguing for the sake of arguing, which is not productive. I am trying to debate auto dist on MDL.

Edited 7/19/2017 22:04:58

i thought what started this discussion was

. If someone plays better on a no luck template, they will win %100 of the time.

at least that is what i have taken as the basis.

when it comes to the auto pick temp then i would like it to stay because of the variety, since there is many other templates, if it was the only template and it was auto pick then ofc it would be a disaster....

Greece LD would also be a very odd template imo if it was not auto pick, then the low income and generic bonuses would just be a element of boredom

Edited 7/19/2017 22:52:10

Do you think auto dist is BETTER than manual on that template or not? I have not seen anyone say it makes it better. They just say that it is the most balanced template they have seen on auto dist. I will skip the best of a bad bunch analogies. I enjoyed the game, I just would have preferred to pick, that is all.

It feels like Njord is arguing for the sake of arguing, which is not productive. I am trying to debate auto dist on MDL.

I think it is different and that makes it an enjoyable template. It can also put you in situations where you may have to outplay your opponent from a weaker position(but that's true of any template). Even that, is a skill. But based on my experience of over 30+ games on this template, I claim that it is not that common. You can find minor improvements to any template if you really want to go down that road.

I think templates in general shouldn't be tampered with, unless the proposed change significantly improves the template(and this proposed change doesn't in my opinion). Template makers spend a lot of time perfecting their template. As a template maker myself, I absolutely hate it when someone makes random changes to a template, without testing or giving any thought to the original creator's idea.

EDIT: My comment is in the context of MDL where you already have a lot of templates. If we're adding new templates to the mix, they obviously have to bring something different to the table at this point(or you remove another template in its place)

Edited 7/19/2017 23:00:54

To be fair, I said this like 10 posts ago:

"That being said, I am OK with it being on here, because there is a veto option. It IS a diff way of playing, so people have the option of avoiding it."

For some reason Njord has some other agenda in here other than talking about MDL...

Njord says..

at least that is what i have taken as the basis.

when it comes to the auto pick temp then i would like it to stay because of the variety, since there is many other templates, if it was the only template and it was auto pick then ofc it would be a disaster....

Greece LD would also be a very odd template imo if it was not auto pick, then the low income and generic bonuses would just be a element of boredom

But Chris says..

For some reason Njord has some other agenda in here other than talking about MDL..

Common sense says Chris doesn't like people disagreeing with him or can't read very well. I say both.
:(

Not surprised you would stick up for your clan mate without reading...

Everyone else was trying to discuss whether auto dist should be on MDL (including you), and then Njord posts things like this:

"im trying to say that your definition of luck means that battelship is a no luck game, i do agree that it an absurd claim, but that was my point, that your definiton is encompassing battelship, this is to show case that prehaps there is a problem whit it.

it was the same reason why i did post about what skill is normally understood as( to some degree at least) "

"if i made numbers for the picks on a bord and i would just use a random number generator and i would get counters, what then? would i still have played better then the one that actully picked or? "

Clearly he is trying to score some sort of points in a luck argument he seems dead set on having. So telling me he moved on is about as ridiculous a claim as 3 million illegal voters voted in our last election.

Do I need to delete all these off track posts to get it back on track?

Edited 7/20/2017 02:54:32

everyone else was trying to discuss whether auto dist should be on MDL (including you), and then Njord posts things like this:

i think that it is pretty obvious for everyone reading the last 2 pages that this is inaccurate

Edited 7/20/2017 03:37:00