trump's proposed budget plan includes vast and dramatic cuts for social, scientific, agricultural, justice, labor, environmental, commerce and transportation departments, to name just a few. the only beneficiary seems to be the military and the most wealthiest families in the country.

after he showed his real intentions, how could someone (from the 99% disadvantaged citizens) still appreciate his reign?

He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"

Yeah that's what this thread is about kid. An english grammar mistake committed by a german.

Nice to see what trumps plans are for real after he promised everything possible depending on his audience.

Waaaaahhh how can people POSSIBLY think different than ME???

He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"

Fortunately I'm from Germany and am not effected by American education cuts..

Wir können uns aber auch gern auf deutsch unterhalten, wenn dir meine Rechtschreibfehler in deiner Muttersprache Schwierigkeiten bereiten.
Bist du der Meinung, dass der neue Haushaltsplan dir oder nennen wir es mal deinesgleichen zu Gute kommt?

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I take Spanish, not German

Meh, just troll responses as expected from the typical off topic crowd. It would be more interesting to read responses from people who still support trump answering the question OP asked.

I'm not a trump supporter, but I'll give it a go.

"after he showed his real intentions, how could someone (from the 99% disadvantaged citizens) still appreciate his reign?"

From the very start, aren't all men created equal? How could 99% of a population be disadvantaged?

Lets go back to the source document, the Constitution.

The Constitution creates the Federal government and the people have granted the Federal Government limited enumerated powers. Unless the Constitution permits the Federal government to do something, the Federal government should not be doing that thing.

Over time, the Necessary and Proper, Taxing and Spending, and Interstate Commerce clauses have become perverted, permitting the Federal Government to regulate all parts of our lives.

You love Obama-care (and the AHCA for that matter)? Really, you think that the Federal Government should mandate that you provide purchase a product from another private party? What's next, I have to buy a retirement fund from one of the big banks? I have to buy a gym membership to Fitness 19 so I can stay healthy and not be a drain on the healthcare system? These are very logical extensions of the precedent set by Obamacare. If Congress passes a law for you to buy a product, you have to buy that product or be forced to pay a penalty.

So, do I love Trump? No. How can I support him? Because in 2016, the top 2 contenders were Trump and Hillary, who would have been more of the same of big government programs and wealth distribution. Given an either/or choice, I would say, meh... Do I hate him any more now than before? No. I would say that I would like him more now because he's not doing that terrible of a job. Just people that can't think very rationally believe all of the hysteria and think he's awful.

Cuts to education: In what world does it make sense to tax the states, add a layer of administration, and redistribute the money back to the states as long as they follow the rules put in place by the upper layer of education. For one, a former Secretary of Education (Not the 'idiot' Devos) couldn't even say where the Constitution authorized the Department of Education. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/education-secretary-cant-say-where-constitution-authorizes-education-department)

We are Trillions of dollars in debt. The only clear way to pay for that debt is to print money, which devalues everyone's currency and makes future borrowing more expensive. The government must do less. I only wish that Trump's budget would have included massive cuts in defense spending as well. But alas, he can't be perfect, can he? We have to stop spending now. Good places to start? How about places that the Federal Government shouldn't be in the first place.

Why waste time trying to have a legit discussion on OT. You need a proper format for that. I tried arguing once but it just gets buried in 1000 shitposts.

Also why waste time trying to talk to Ranek when he just ignores people with opposing views. This cuck ignores all my responses and blacklisted me over some stupid map criticism.

@CB, just wait until he copies software from someone and adds your name to a block list, that's when you know you have won the argument.

Edit: Or that you were engaging in an intellectual debate with someone that brought knife (presumably because that's all they are capable of) to a gunfight.

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I support him even more, f*ck poor people living off welfare

You're disgusting.

im glad cut all those socialist failing programs down

Well, seeing as he's brainwashed the very poor people( he's cutting education because-let me think- he once said "I love uneducated people") that voted for him, they won't notice that HE'S the one cutting their government aid.

Edited 5/30/2017 18:55:46

From the very start, aren't all men created equal? How could 99% of a population be disadvantaged?

You're joking, right? Just because it says on a piece of paper that all men are created equal doesn't mean that they are. That's as dumb as a piece of paper saying that there's a zombie carpenter awaiting for you in a magic club in the skies for when you die.

More seriously, American social mobility and income inequality are terrible. Poor families have a harder time getting by compared to the top 1% income bracket, so of course they're disadvantaged compared to those who are massively more wealthy than them. America has it worse than most western nations too. Compared to northern and western Europe, America fares badly in income inequality & social mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23BJNveKMRI&t

George Carlin (One of the few genuinely sane political commentators to come from America) said of the American socio-political situation back in the 80's:
'This is the best we can do folks, this is what we have to offer. Its what our system produces. Garbage in. Garbage out.'

Trump is America personified. Supposedly thinks they have the moral high ground, thinks they are great, thinks they are justified in whatever course of action they take. A country that has wrought horrors upon all humanity for the duration of its existence. I am not sure what the big shock is.

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He's also cutting education, which is why you wrote "most wealthiest"

And your German is better?

Coming from the Libertarian point of view this is partially good. I agree that most of the things he cut should have been cut. Private Enterprise always reigns supreme.

However, to feed more money into the corrupt military industrial complex is an act of tyranny.

I don't think the VA needs any more money. Like the head of the VA shouldn't be making an insane amount of money.

Hopefully this does not pass, I'd much rather have (even as a Libertarian) spending on science, agriculture, and environmental.

Honestly, in order to drive down our debt to a manageable amount (50-60% of GDP) we have to get the fuck out of the Middle East, and cut an amount of our budget across the border every year (1% of the whole budget is 40 Billion)

You're disgusting.

Lmao deal with it pleb

Sorry, Ranek, didn't realise that English was your sixth or seventh language because of how good non-US education is