LOL Eklipse state schools and national propaganda what
In Denmark >80% of people go to public state-run schools, including me. They were generally fine and certainly not 'national propaganda'. Just because you get rid of religious lies it doesn't imply you lie to them about your nation.
If religious schools meet teaching standards, the standards are dubious if the religion is considered a part of the teaching. And indoctrinating children into superstitions, telling them to believe absurdities or face torture in hell, is not a right, it's child abuse.

including the flying spaghetti monster?

I find the FSM to be a nice retaliation/joke on religion. When religions are no longer taken seriously, the FSM would've accomplished its mission. But in the end I think FSM isn't so important. No one seriously believes in it anyway.

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Get skranked, Ox.

There is a cross on the passport... I assure you there are more things troubling the Dutch than getting triggered from a Christian symbol.

is not a right, it's child abuse.

Wow. So parents passing on beliefs to their children is child abuse. But forcibly stripping away their beliefs isn't?

Taking away something that brings meaning and purpose to people's lives is the true abuse.

And I don't care how highly you think of your education system, every school has some form of propaganda. Anything run by the state will by nature be biased towards the state. I'm not advocating we get rid of state run schools, but to act like what they teach is 100% objective is laughable.

or face torture in hell

Typical that you single out Christianity first and foremost. What about Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and so forth? Are they not allowed to give their kids religious teachings either?

You are a tyrant. You talk about "Rights" and people being "Abused" but you advocate for violation of the most basic rights.

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so that means that flags

O shit-

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^Anti-Semite!

Wow. So parents passing on beliefs to their children is child abuse. But forcibly stripping away their beliefs isn't?

I'm not talking about stripping away their beliefs. Only that indoctrinating children into lies is sick and wrong. If the adults choose to believe in them, I'm not saying they should be stopped if they keep them for themselves.

Taking away something that brings meaning and purpose to people's lives is the true abuse.

Ah, the purpose card. I might find purpose in fooling myself to believe clouds are magic gnomes that grant me wishes if I pray to them. But it doesn't make it true no matter how much purpose I manage to find in fooling myself. Ultimately, religion is harmful to the world, no matter how much meaning some people find in it or not.

And I don't care how highly you think of your education system, every school has some form of propaganda. Anything run by the state will by nature be biased towards the state. I'm not advocating we get rid of state run schools, but to act like what they teach is 100% objective is laughable.

I don't act like they're 100% objective, they're not. Just saying your claim about the national propaganda is totally detached from the reality of millions of people who experience state-run education every day in real life.

Typical that you single out Christianity first and foremost. What about Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and so forth? Are they not allowed to give their kids religious teachings either?

Some teachings are more harmful than others. Therefore I picked a belief that can obviously be terrifying to small children, who don't understand hell isn't real but could feel they're actually being threatened with hellfire. Teaching kids things like that is wrong, and the same goes for stuff like the universe being 6000 years old and other blatant lies like that. One might discuss topics with kids topics such as if deities exist without doing harm, by not threatening them and not pretending to know they exist when there's no evidence for it, but many parts within christianity, islam etc. are rotten, blatantly false and harmful to indoctrinate children in.

You are a tyrant. You talk about "Rights" and people being "Abused" but you advocate for violation of the most basic rights.

For centuries with christianity, islam,..., millions of christians/islamists stood happy while people were stoned, burned, hanged, for witchcraft, refusing to believe in myths, agreeing to have sex while not in a relationship or for teaching things the church felt threatened their volatile worldview. Rights never existed in these religions, rights came to be because society became secularized and grew beyond the primitive mentality that can only judge right from wrong by blindly reciting verses from a book. The irony is you need not look further than the bible to find the very definition of tyranny and violation of rights.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
It shouldn't be hard to see why anyone who cares about rights cares about freeing the world from such ideas.

^Oh look at this Commie https://russian231.slavic.lsa.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/children-famine-300x196.jpg

BLA wants people to worship the state at the altar instead of God.

Literally no one cares about anything you say commie scum, muzzie go back to africa.

Communists are not humans. Even the Slavs are aware of this.

Only that indoctrinating children into lies is sick and wrong.

Your extreme beliefs are only widening the gaps here. And I would agree with you on this point, but godless folk don't have any higher being to answer to, and their morals are not as well-taught as in believing families and communities. What is right and wrong is subjective, but almost everyone can agree that killing, stealing, and lying are all 3 sins. Without (belief of) anyone higher than yourself to answer to, you can break the rules, since noone will know; you can be an unkind fellow.

You may say that if they read and follow their Book, they will have to do some things that in most first and secondworld countries are thought to be immoral: killing gays, and oppression of women. But the trend nowadays is just to to follow what you agree is right. In the Recitation, it says itself that the devil will look like God and try to deceive you, and I bet there is something akin to that in the Holy Writ. Even the Catholic church is becoming more tolerant of things that they should not be if they follow their creed to the letter.

Ultimately, religion is harmful to the world

Amazing, since religious institutes in many lands were the first to fund education and science, spread the message of charity, peace, kindness, and tolerance. Many religions are less about the "faith" and more an organisation of "beliefs" of what are the right things to do. Mahāvir says "All breathing, existing, living, sentient creatures should not be slain, nor treated with violence, nor abused, nor tormented, nor driven away.", and this is part of the Jain creed of course. Ahimsa is the most important part of Jainism; do not hurt. But no, having organised sets of morals and legends is "child abuse" to you. Why not ban capitalism while you're at it?

For centuries with christianity, islam,..., millions of christians/islamists stood happy while people were stoned

that's irrelevant to everyone who doesn't believe in that today.

>having a problem with people getting punished for crimes

cuck

your extreme beliefs are only widening the gaps here. And I would agree with you on this point, but godless folk don't have any higher being to answer to, and their morals are not as well-taught as in believing families and communities. What is right and wrong is subjective, but almost everyone can agree that killing, stealing, and lying are all 3 sins. Without (belief of) anyone higher than yourself to answer to, you can break the rules, since noone will know; you can be an unkind fellow.

You may say that if they read and follow their Book, they will have to do some things that in most first and secondworld countries are thought to be immoral: killing gays, and oppression of women. But the trend nowadays is just to to follow what you agree is right. In the Recitation, it says itself that the devil will look like God and try to deceive you, and I bet there is something akin to that in the Holy Writ. Even the Catholic church is becoming more tolerant of things that they should not be if they follow their creed to the letter.

Amazing, since religious institutes in many lands were the first to fund education and science, spread the message of charity, peace, kindness, and tolerance. Many religions are less about the "faith" and more an organisation of "beliefs" of what are the right things to do. Mahāvir says "All breathing, existing, living, sentient creatures should not be slain, nor treated with violence, nor abused, nor tormented, nor driven away.", and this is part of the Jain creed of course. Ahimsa is the most important part of Jainism; do not hurt. But no, having organised sets of morals and legends is "child abuse" to you. Why not ban capitalism while you're at it?

I'd upvote this more than once if I could. Hits the nail right on the head.

godless folk don't have any higher being to answer to, and their morals are not as well-taught as in believing families and communities. What is right and wrong is subjective, but almost everyone can agree that killing, stealing, and lying are all 3 sins. Without (belief of) anyone higher than yourself to answer to, you can break the rules, since noone will know; you can be an unkind fellow.

I would say you don't need a higher being to answer to. You treat people well because you wish them well, not because you're afraid some god might punish you if you're a jerk. That's rather selfish, at least imo, if it's the primary drive for your morality.
I'm rather utilitarian, in this ethics philosophy, right and wrong is not subjective.
Christianity is an expert at sins ans forgiveness. Break the rules but pray and ask for forgiveness. There's plenty of loopholes there to excuse immorality, even if one follows a version of the religion that's abandoned the immoral parts of the Bible.
Certainly not all atheists are good, just like not all religious people are good. People from both can be unkind fellows.

But the trend nowadays is just to to follow what you agree is right.

But then you're not getting your morality from the religion anymore. You're getting your morality in a secular way, and cherry picking the bits of the religion that seem to agree with it.

In the Recitation, it says itself that the devil will look like God and try to deceive you, and I bet there is something akin to that in the Holy Writ.

That leaves a big question why an all-loving, omnipotent, omniscient god would let its religion be used to deceive people to do evil. Even after letting evil into the world (which is logically incompatible with the traits), the god doesn't even manage to make sure its religion becomes a force of good for the world. I would say that points to a very incompetent god, or humans who didn't think too much about the stories they wrote down.

Amazing, since religious institutes in many lands were the first to fund education and science, spread the message of charity, peace, kindness, and tolerance. Many religions are less about the "faith" and more an organisation of "beliefs" of what are the right things to do. Mahāvir says "All breathing, existing, living, sentient creatures should not be slain, nor treated with violence, nor abused, nor tormented, nor driven away.", and this is part of the Jain creed of course. Ahimsa is the most important part of Jainism; do not hurt. But no, having organised sets of morals and legends is "child abuse" to you. Why not ban capitalism while you're at it?

I'm not saying all parts of religion are bad and should be banned. Many of the things you mention there are certainly good. But considered as a whole, I think religion is a greater force for evil than good.
If the morals are good, sure, teach the morals. Legends, there's nothing wrong with telling stories and fiction to children, as long as you don't try to craft their worldview to think fiction is truth.

that's irrelevant to everyone who doesn't believe in that today.

The holy books are full of the motivation for it so I would say it's very relevant. The problem is people will never let go of them and consider morality a fully secular matter. As long as they don't do that, the foundation that lead to all those things still exist, whether most religious people in some western countries choose to ignore them today or not.

Communism is near-retarded

Communism is retarded*

individuals drawn to infantile ideologies that promise empty slogans "fairness" "equality" are mind-crippled.

Bla is the perfect example of a useful idiot; a pampered 12 year old keyboard warrior in his ivory tower. He would be "snuffed out" in a true Bolshevik revolution.

Bla this is how I feel about you http://cf.chucklesnetwork.com/items/1/0/6/6/3/original/not-sure-if-youre-a-hypocrite-or-just-stupid.jpg

Justinian, what do you think of the six-pointed star on the American passport?