now you're just taking 2 totally different jurisdictions.

If you ever backed up any of your claims with hard-to-argue-against data like you claim there are, then there wouldn't be a problem, but instead you compare things with a lot of confounding variables. Ooh why do Chechens not have as many Nobel prizes as Israelites? must be that the Chechen genes are bad, not that they lived through a war, they live in a shitty government that taboos a lot anti-Islamic teachings, and international cooperation, their schools suck bad, and were already poor as shit but now are poor as hell after the war destroyed the bank, and that the Nobel Prize is biased and is questionable to begin with, and that only extreme outliers of humans get the Nobel Prize, meaning that even if a lot of Israelites got a Nobel Prize, does not mean the median Israelite is more likely to get the Nobel Prize.

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Tabby, you can't let personal beliefs or feelings towards a certain race get in the way of debating about them. Like the Russian guy said it's because of the factors that these African nations aren't like Japan or Europe. You tried to compare Japan to these African nations which is really unfair, wanna know why? Because Japan wasn't colonized to a point to that MILLIONS of your people die, your society collapses and your nations pride is non-existent. You know Japanese people had the perfect environment to grow, they were a united nation and no one attacked their main land killing their men, raping their women and killing their children. I also hope you know when the European Imperialists came and DESTROYED Africa they didn't kill the weak they killed the STRONG!. I understand what you're saying Africans really really really need to improve in alot of aspects to fit in this modern world which they ARE doing, I agree with that but you claim that they are a sub-species and all this BS which is not true. I mean look at my country the my people of the Darfur and South really fucked up my great country, I mean look at us during the 60's 70's we really were a great nation but that is no excuse to call them sub-species, hate on them, and send them off to Sub-Saharan Africa. What we should do is start programs to educate them and help them fit into this modern world this is what we should do as humans! This is the answer Tabby, after all they are just people who have no clue what they're doing their ancestors raped, enslaved and killed.. It's just that they don't know any better so what should we do? Educate them and help them grow..

Poland wasn't colonized for decades and generations it was merely a devastating war. However, if Poland was colonized for decades and its people had their confidence in the country and themselves shattered and not knowing their self-worth. Don't try to compare Poland in WW2 with an imperialistic country colonizing a country. What I'm trying to say colonization RUINS a country. It destroys everything. Also, don't try to show me examples of countries that benefited off of colonialism because I am specifically talking about the African nations that were destroyed by this. Look at Nigeria it's not doing bad. Same thing with Ethiopa and South Africa. You can't just bring countries that are JUST starting to get modernized after being colonized not too long ago and compare them with European nations that were independent for a very very long time and had an era of peace and prosperity. Have some empathy anyways it's as if the things you say is coming from a robot , seriously be human.

Difference is that Poland got helped afterwards, while African countries in the 60s and 70s were mostly left alone.

due to basically European Countries basically destroying their countries with colonialism. ( please don't argue with that )


- LOL, before Europeans came there was not even ONE stable african state, and i just love the ''please don't argue with that'' nice logic.

"though it usually also have unexpected and unintended benefits on conquered peoples."

not always

in fact not "usually" either, the ratio is 50% at maximum and even that's a stretch

sure in some areas(mainly in Africa) imperialism brought relative prosperity as the European colonisers built infastructure and agriculture...yes those countries are unstable but when were they even stable anyway?

but in some other areas(especially on Middle East) we can clearly see imperialism completely destroyed and destabilized the region.

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LOL, before Europeans came there was not even ONE stable african state, and i just love the ''please don't argue with that'' nice logic.

Ethiopia, Egypt, Tunis, Kilwa, Ajuuran, hmm all old countries that fell to European interventions. Furthermore he wasn't even talking about states.

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and it wasn't "dark age" when it was under the hands of the Ottomans? Mamelukes? Seljuqs? Old Caliphates? Byzantines?

it's an obvious fact that Middle East used to be one of the most peaceful regions before the 20th century, with ancient prosperous cities and on par with technology if not ahead of it from time to time

every single conflict happening in the Middle East today can be directly tied to the imperialist elements caused after the breakup of Ottoman Empire

>Every single conflict can be attributed to one causal event

people actually think this

^^This logic ignores the fact that imperialism has never destroyed Poland and Northeast Asian countries. It has not destroyed India either. It did not destroy Malaysia. It did not destroy Egypt.

Tabby I am talking about colonialism TO Central African countries, not to other countries. Egypt and Malaysia were colonized but they weren't treated like the Central African countries. No, I am not saying the countries you mentioned were treated equally I am saying that Central Africans were treated horribly... on a different level! To such an extent that it destroyed their societies and set them back so they could not advance with the rest of the world unlike Malaysia, Egypt and etc these countries were damaged not gonna lie, BUT they weren't destroyed like the Central African countries so they just had a bit of rebuilding and they were back on their feet and advancing like the rest of the world. Think about it this way, Colonialism is a giant axe. It hits Egypt, Malaysia, and India at their palm and cuts 2 fingers off. The next person that got colonized was Central Africa. Colonialism hits Central Africa right at its knee injuring it so it couldn't walk while Egypt healed and is back in the race of advancing with the rest of humanity.


due to basically European Countries basically destroying their countries with colonialism. ( please don't argue with that )


- LOL, before Europeans came there was not even ONE stable African state, and I just love the ''please don't argue with that'' nice logic.

So you're telling me the African people are better off with colonialism? Listen, I'm not here to debate with idiots like you that insult me and reply back with one-liners. Seriously, speak with confidence and evidence, not one sentence that's a half-assed insult and an opinion.

Why is there so much hate towards blacks, what did they ever do to you! Seriously, guys, you need to have empathy and compassion. I'm just gonna infer that you guys have racist families. Anyways we are all human and we are all the SAME. Don't be this ungrateful little white prick living in America that's spewing racist shit on a barely active website to people who wish they had the life of yours. We are just wasting our time, you need to do something with your life and stop hating on blacks and accept them as an equal. I should be revising for my SAT's but I'm just here defending blacks because I am a human not a racist asshole.

Japan messed up by ossifying and then learned a lot from West Europeans to improve Japan

Japan learned from the west the same way every country should by sending a team to the West and learning the good aspects about their societies. By the way it's called the Iwakura Mission. That's how you grow not being a vulnerable country and getting a 15 inch European dick jammed up your asshole and it screaming "YOUR INFERIOR. LEARN FROM OUR SUPERIOR SOCIETY AND BETTER PEOPLE. LEARN OR YOU ARE A SUBSPECIES!"

Ethiopia - Barely a state
Egypt - Did not have it's own state since the time of Rome
Tunis - Same as above
Kilwa - Weak state, only survived by hunting and pirating. This is still the case even it the 21st century. What can we expect from we wuz kangs n' shiet ''civilization''
Ajuuran - Same as above.


Anyways we are all human and we are all the SAME.

- I am not a ''we wuz kangz!''

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^ I never mentioned being an arab is bad, it is bad but i never mentioned it.

LOL^

^Poland was then controlled by Moscow which was not very nice either. Furthermore the Prussian and Russian Empires weren't nice to Poles when Poland did not exist.

Aid to Africa already existed back then. There was a US-led bloc and a Soviet-led bloc and yes there was financial aid.

What does it even mean? The former German (or "prussian") partition (plus the Recovered Territories) is by far the richer part of Poland - coincidence? I think not. Austria was "nice" to polish nationality but the former austrian partition is poor as hell. "Niceness" has nothing to do with it.

You are comparing integral (at the time) parts of european countries against exploited for centuries, overseas colonies with artificially drawn borders and left behind at a point. "Financial aid" means nothing if it's going to be defrauded by local tyrants.

What is "muh evil whitey"? I'm weak at comprehending internet slang, especially english.

Many borders of Arab countries are also artificially drawn. It has not made Arab progress impossible.

LOL those Arab countries would be total shit without oil. Actually even with oil they are shit.

Korea and Taiwan were Japanese colonies. There is almost no "Muh evil Japanese" argument on poverty because South Korea and Taiwan are very rich now.

Eh, I frankly don't know that much about the Eastern Asian countries. Although it seems like you just throw slogans around without attempting to look for actual analysis other than racial one.

Egypt isn't total shit. Nor is Jordan.

check again

Jordan is better than what you'd expect but still terrible, due to geography.

Unless you believe that the prosperity of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore etc

Which are countries whose pasts can not be compared with the ones in Africa (!)

Japan - not colonised at all
Korea (interesting you don't bring up North Korea) - 1910-1949
Taiwan - 1895-1949
Singapore - one of the few cities in the British settlements that Brits poured a lot of money in and was already pretty rich through resource trading

Also, again, prosperity of a society is determined by the outliers of any group.

@Xapy Europeans did not control large enough parts of Africa until the 1870s. By then the whole world had abolished slavery.

The Africans sold each other into slavery and squandered the money. Why didn't they save and invest? Because the concept of saving for the winter or hard times isn't ingrained into the evolution of sub-Saharan Africans due to the warm climate.

Source: https://youtu.be/NzKejJIwieE?t=5m49s

This is the map of Africa at the start of the American Civil War. America was one of the last countries to abolish slavery.

Look you're contradicting yourself you just said X location produces Y idiots.

Which is true to an extent! ( not the idiots )

The location is one of the many factors that help a group of people grow into a civilisation. Unfortunately, the Africans had factors that didn't aid them but rather destroy them. :/

You said that it's due to their low-IQ. Tabby you share the same DNA as them you're the same! You both are humans! It's not due to their low-IQ this it's because of the factors factooooors how many times do we need to say it.

And don't try to reply with other countries that "suffered" the same, they did suffer maybe. But, not with the same factors :P.

If I wanted to use your logic. *WHITES IN AMERICA OPIOID EPIDEMIC*

"yo guys whites are inferior lmao look how fucking stupid they are they use drugs xdddddddd"

*Arabs waste money on luxury cars and drift till they die*

"LMFAO Arabs are so fucking retarded m8, create a business lol too bad they can't they're inferior."

All of us are humans and all of us have our flaws because guess what. none of us are perfect.

you can't just show African flaws and claim they're inferior.

Stop hating on a certain people because these poor people don't have access to the same things that made you much more knowledgeable person than them.

And, what do you do with this knowledge? Literally just spew random racist shit let's all contribute to a greater cause than hating on blacks on a gated-community.