We have too much stuff on American presidents these days.

Worst

1: Neville Chamberlin

2: John Major

3: Anthony Eden

4: Margret Thatcher

5: James Callaghan

Best

1: Harold Wilson

2: David Cameron

3: David Lloyd George

4: Winston Churchill

5: Theresa May (In terms of political strategy up until the election, I think she was one of the best. On policy she sucked, in the campaign she sucked, but before that I was impressed with her on a strategical level)

Theresa May is one of the worst prime ministers in British history.

Winston Churchill was a traitor and his actions led to the destruction of the British Empire.

Winston Churchill, who led the U.K through the horrors of WW2, was a traitor?

>Declare war on Germany despite Hitler trying to negotiate peace with the UK

>Kill millions of Europeans

>Hand over colonies to savages


Churchill was an irl shitposter

The only top list Winston Churchill belongs to is to one of the dirtiest, bloodiest, filthiest politicians of the last 100 years.

Clement Atlee's reign definitely deserves top 3 for the founding of the NHS.

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DAVID CAMERON #2? YOU JOKING?

>Declare war on Germany despite Hitler trying to negotiate peace with the UK

Hitler shouldn't have invaded Poland and given Churchill the excuse.

>Kill millions of Europeans

In effort to stop Hitler from killing millions more. Compared to the Nazis and Soviets, the Brits killed a very irrelevant number.

>Hand over colonies to savages

Churchill was an imperialist who wanted to preserve the Empire. Besides, he stepped down before the Brits gave up most their colonies. It was his successors who slowly decolonized.

I fail to see how was Chamberlain that bad. Or how Churchill was that good.

Chamberlain was a good politician, he just didn't know how to handle Hitler. Churchill had the benefit of seeing the wrong way to deal with the Dictators of Europe. And a reminder that Chamberlain eventually realized what was up, and came back swinging.

Don't forget Churchill's quotes on Chamberlain not being active enough against Hitler, followed by "I trust Stalin".

David Cameron is the founder of acceptable British Conservatism. He led the country through good times due to his ability to work with others. It's my own opinion, but I believe firmly he was one of the best.

Churchill I respect because of his ability to keep the UK from dying during WW2 basically. His agenda afterward kinda sucked but during the war, he was a good crisis manager. Chamberlin sucked because he was blinded by ideology and didn't see the coming fight in front of him. And then he resigned once it all fell apart instead of trying to fix it.

He abandoned Austria, he abandoned the Czechs, and then he abandoned Poland. He reneged on promises and basic human dignity and he, along with the French, are 100% to blame for not stopping Hitler when they could. The French could have destroyed him when he invaded the Rhine, even Hitler said so in his writings. But they didnt do it.

(Also, keep in mind Progressive British Conservatives would be Democrats in the US, so it makes ideological sense I'd like Cameron to a certain degree.)

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Something I seem to have in common with Conservative is very little knowledge of the prime ministers before 1900, so for this list, keep in mind I'm excluding the ones before then.

Worst:

1) Anthony Eden

- Suez crisis
- Failure to implement anything new, even during a boom
- Handled the Mau Mau rebellion atrociously, breaching several human rights in Kenya

2) Margaret Thatcher

- Huge aggression against miners, using force against thousands- total brute
- Destroyed industry, instead of phasing it out
- Was the stem of the rapid rise of inequality since, and during her tenure
- Said "we don't negotiate with terrorists [IRA]", yet negotiated with them behind closed doors
- Privatised as much as she could
- Handled the Falklands War terribly (ordered the troops to shoot down a boat full of teenagers when they were retreating)
- Decided to attack Scotland with the poll tax
- Supported Pinochet
- Wanted to keep the Berlin wall up in fear of Germany becoming a stronger economic power than Britain (she was right there)
- Deregulated the banks
- Removed lots of social housing, growing homelessness
- Margaret Thatcher the Milk Snatcher, stole free school milk
+ Weakened the unions' strength in Britain (not a fan of how she did it, but they were too strong)
+ Made the economy more service-based
+ Made sure more rich people paid taxes by lowering them
+ Supported the EU

3) Winston Churchill

- Starved millions of people in Bengal, by taking away their produce in order to feed British citizens
- Like Eden, handled the Mau Mau rebellion terribly, putting people in camps
- Bombed Dresden, killing civilians
- Wanted to preserve the empire
- Voted against the NHS *21 times*
+ Was far less weak than Chamberlain on Hitler
~ (Not positive or negative) He motivated Brits (Hitler motivated Germans, not necessarily a good thing)

4) Ramsay MacDonald

- Failed at getting out of the Great Depression
- Made Britain a 1 party state under the Tories, despite being Labour, for making his own party unelectable
- Failed to make any notable changes, just prolong the depression
- Was in bed with the Tories for most of his tenure
+ He wasn't a Tory
+ He broke up some banks

5) Neville Chamberlain

- Waaay too soft on Hitler
+ At least he eventually declared war


Best:

1) Clement Attlee

+ Founded the NHS
+ Created the British welfare state
+ Improved social mobiliy through large amounts of social housing
+ Nationalised several industries
+ Increased the strength of the unions
+ Began to break up the British Empire
+ Supported collective bargaining

2) Tony Blair

+ Modernised Labour
+ Introduced minimum wage
+ Banned guns
+ Maintained education system better than most
+ Created Scottish and Welsh Parliaments
+ Supported EU
+ Highest amount of people brought out of poverty in 1 term ever between '97 and '01
+ Introduced paternity leave
+ Banned fox hunting
+ Good Friday Agreement, making peace in Northern Ireland
+ Lowered gay age of consent to the same as that of straights
- Began privatisation of NHS
- Iraq war
- Wanted to join the Euro; Brown stopped him
- Too right-wing for a Labour leader
- Didn't nationalise railways

3) Harold Wilson

+ Allowed women to have abortions
+ Got rid of the grammar schools
+ Created a form of free university
+ Kept industries nationalised
+ Maintained low unemployment
+ Made income distribution more fair
+ Introduced new subsidies, like in farms
+ Decriminalised homosexuality
+ Increased NHS spending
- Opposed the EU
- Was too resource-minded instead of service-minded in the 70s
- Failed to lower tensions in Ireland

4) David Lloyd George

+ First to nationalise industries, like rails and factories
+ Gave women the vote
+ Didn't want to go so hard on Germany in the treaty of Versailles
+ Opposed Boer war
+ Secularist (pretty damn important in the 1910s btw)
+ First social housing under him
- Didn't oppose treaty of Versailles strongly enough
- Lost the vote of the working class, making the Liberals forever irrelevant

5) David Cameron (yikes)

+ Modernised Conservatives
+ Brought Britain out of recession
+ Supported referendums (Scottish, AV, Brexit)
+ Same-sex marriage
+ Supported green energy
+ Opposed the Big Brother shit that Theresa May's doing
+ Supported the EU
- Largest ever NHS privatisation deal
- Removed disability benefits
- Privatised Royal Mail
- Wanted to do the same to prisons
- Bedroom tax
- Austerity out of control

I think May might crack a decent top 5 spot in the worst if she continues this internet regulation stuff!

Final analysis: 2/5 of the "best" are named David. Rename yourselves if you want to be prime minister!

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What the fuck is a bedroom tax?

https://www.bromford.co.uk/customer-area/my-money/changes-to-benefits/bedroom-tax/
that i think.

That is so fucking retarded that i can't even.

Something I seem to have in common with Conservative is very little knowledge of the prime ministers before 1900

Idk if this is sarcastic but it is unfortunately true.

OxTheAutist, I disagree on what you said about colonialism.
Here me out,
Before colonialism Africans had no written language, no wheel as we know it, schools, hospitals, not even normal clothing.

And people across the empire were civilized.

If you compare Africa today to it under British/white rule it was much better.

A prime example is Rhodesia, and the rest of Africa, after Europeans left, civil war began.

^Even the intelligent ones?

Secnario. You try and kill off a tribe. The tribe massacres you.

Before colonialism Africans had no written language, no wheel as we know it, schools, hospitals, not even normal clothing.

Um...what? Go read about the huge continent of Africa. You don't know that Africa holds the second oldest university in the world? Sounds like you've been swalling the Ooga booga kongo raindance lies.

And people across the empire were civilized.

Yes, authoritarianism, massacres, genocide, and war crimes "civilised" them.