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Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-01 20:03:30


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The goal of widespread gun ownership is MAD (mutually assured destruction). When only one party has guns (like gangs) then they are free to nuke whoever they want and maximize suffering.

I support private citizens being able to carry whatever the gangs are carrying.

Edited 8/1/2017 20:04:43
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-01 20:05:10


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oh my sweet summer child when will you learn to respond to the main argument presented in the post instead of grasping at straws
TG was pointing out that you have no idea of politics due to your heavy bias.
The population should be armed, mostly to defend against foreign and loyal-less militaries and militias.
Yeah sure, every psycho should be allowed to have automatic weapons.
I support private citizens being able to carry whatever the gangs are carrying.
I support every criminal their guns to be taken away and outlawed. It's the police to counterbalance the criminals, not the general population.

Edited 8/1/2017 20:06:49
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-01 20:09:21


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^The right to bear arms is a positive right. Just like the right to a jury.

That means that if you can't afford a gun then the government must provide one for you.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-01 20:38:43


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>trusting bureaucracy with protecting personal liberty

Oy you really are delusional
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-01 22:52:15


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^The right to bear arms is a positive right. Just like the right to a jury.

That means that if you can't afford a gun then the government must provide one for you.
The right to bear arms should be granted, I agree. However only to people who are less likely to cause harm with them. A test proving they know how to use them, clean criminal record and mental stability.

And why should taxes be used to arm civilians?
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 00:43:27


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What? You should have to pay for everyone's guns, unless you just want people to DIE!
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 01:47:43


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TG was pointing out that you have no idea of politics due to your heavy bias.


I never said that.

When it comes to heavy bias it is certainly a huge problem, I really dislike biased ideas that aren't aligned with reality or common sense.

However, I must said that in my life experience, I got a lot of very good political talks with heavily biased people. I have talked Marxists, Royalists, Fascists and Ancaps that I seriously consider some of the smartest people I ever met. In the contrary, I have met dumb fucks close to my political positions with whom I couldn't support listening more than five minutes to.

So I wouldn't say that being biased necessarily means you have no idea of the subject you're talking about, although I must also say that there's some sort of corelation on that...
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 01:50:45


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oh my sweet summer child when will you learn to respond to the main argument presented in the post instead of grasping at straws


I'm not sure why I'd bother trying to answer a topic you and almost everyone here already made their minds into, sounds like a waste of time, so I just try fixing what can be fixed xD

But if you really want me do it maybe I'll waste 30 minutes of my life trying to do that, but only if you ask nicely senpai
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 03:08:10


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Regarding violence in the African-American population:

On 14 January 2015 the Washington Post published an article by Niraj Chokshi on U.S. homicide rates.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/01/14/map-the-black-homicide-rate-in-almost-every-state/?utm_term=.c5247756b671

The news from the article is almost unremittingly grim. Rates of homicide among the African-American community are shameful high. Now let me bar a little against being misunderstood. What is being spoken of is the numbers of victims, per 100,000 people in a number of states, and it is generally the case that victim and perpetrator are of the same ethnicity. For our purposes it is eminently fair to ignore all exceptions.

The state with the highest rate of black homicide is Missouri. The homicide rate among black victims in Missouri was 34.98 per 100,000 in 2012. In that same year Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, and Wyoming had no black homicides of any sort. These states have small black populations both absolute numbers and in terms of percentages.

One could compare states with small black populations such as Alaska and Hawaii where in 2012 one state had no homicides and the other had three. However I doubt that these are facts which speak with a clear voice.

It might be more meaningful to ask why violent crime in general has declined over the past thirty years in the United States. As to that question, I will stand mute.

Rates of illegitimate births in the United States have varied. The comment at the Washington Post article that I found telling was one which blamed the parents of violent criminals for their criminality. There is a point in doing this. We are subject to influence not withstanding our own agency.

I believe Walter E. Williams shines a light on one of the nations great scandals in his article, The True Black Tragedy: Illegitimacy Rate of 75%. Williams is an astute fellow. He tells us:

Hustlers and people with little understanding want us to believe that today's black problems are the continuing result of a legacy of slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. The fact is that most of the social pathology seen in poor black neighborhoods is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of it.

Today the overwhelming majority of black children are raised in single female-headed families. As early as the 1880s, three-quarters of black families were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black families were two-parent. One study of 19th-century slave families found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children had the same mother and father.

Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent. It had risen to 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action" and was widely condemned as a racist. By 1980, the black illegitimacy rate had more than doubled, to 56 percent, and it has been growing since. Both during slavery and as late as 1920, a teenage girl raising a child without a man present was rare among blacks.


link: http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75

Now what Williams has told us does not explain away this question of violence, but illegitimacy is an aggravating factor.

I would caution those who would claim that blacks do violence because of some inherent factor to look to the homicide rates of the countries of Sub-Saharan Africa. Burkina Faso enjoys an enviable rate of 0.71 per 100,000. While other nations such as Lesotho are cursed with high rates of violent crime. Both of these countries are populated by black Africans, and yet in terms of violence are they not as different from one another as the night is from the day?

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I put it to you: the notion that any of us are doomed to lives of criminality is just wrong.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 03:32:12


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Liberia is 85% Christian, and has a homicide rate of 3.22 which is quite good.

So whatever the influence of Islam it does not get to what is essential for a peaceful society.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 03:47:47


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Yeah sure, every psycho should be allowed to have automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons aren't allowed in the hands of the general public. If you are going to berate US gun laws, at least do it accurately:

No automatic weapon made after the year 1986 can legally be under the possession of a US citizen, and all that came before that year must be registered through the government in order to be bought and sold. You must purchase such a weapon from a reputable dealer with the legal standing to carry out such a transaction. You must also pay a lot of money. Anywhere from 12,000 to 16,000 USD (10,158 to 13,544 Euro). That's a brand new economy car.

Your sarcasm is misplaced. If you would use the term "assault weapon," you would have at least some argument, since the newer definition of the term is starting to include semi-automatic weapons as an assault weapon, and semi-automatic weapons are legal to buy in the US. What you should really be going after, however, are handguns. Those are used to kill more people in this country than any other weapon, including this time-span's evil spawn of Satan, the AR-15.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 05:53:11


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With "automatic" I was referrring to semi-automatic, not full-automatic. Don't lecture me over something I already know. Unlike the majority of the population, I know that.
No automatic weapon
You do understand that the term "automatic" refers to the chambering and not the trigger pull. For example a M1911 would be automatic too. I think you are the one who should be more accurate.

Edited 8/2/2017 05:59:52
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 12:59:03


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Does anyone know why we have the right to bear arms in the USA?
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 14:20:06

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The constitution?
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 14:59:42


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I am not saying I want to see if someone points it out.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 16:19:56


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>just ban guns

Yeah because it worked with drugs.
Why bother banning anything at all then? People will always find a way around.
Police bodycams associated with MORE shootings: 2017-08-02 17:16:36


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If guns are banned they must be destroyed and nobody should have any on the entire planet.
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