"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-afghanistan-troops-increase-numbers-war-us-army-escalation-a7905841.html

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your leaders? Are they fucking insane? How many times do you need to make the same mistake in order to learn????

Funny how some dumbasses thought Trump would be more peaceful than Hillary. I guess he's not that different from the warmongers that preceded him.

What was his motto during election again? "America first?" CLearly he is breaking his own promises like all other politicians. But unlike others he has terrible manners ontop of that, which make him basically even worse.

Yeah, this is another proof that Trump has no clue about politics. This is a very short sighted solution. Sending more troops sounds good to me, but they wont get the job done alone. What is a good move though is that it wont cost the taxpayer any more, because Trump gets the money from the humanitarian aids that are soon to be stamped out. Subsisising the enemy's economy is not in Trump's sense of course. Looking at other countries that fell under US-Imperialism we clearly know that as soon as the troops leave the unstable country, shit is going left and right and centre. Trump is basically dooming the US and various other countries to have troops in Afghanistan forever, because soldiers cant fix a country. It might pay off in the short, but wont in the long run.

America first? More like my presidency first!

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What I've learned from reading history, is that the American government is dependent on waging war, for they're in such big debt, that perhaps the only possibility of paying that debt completely is through a world war where foreign governments buy weaponry from USA companies. Just keep in mind that the debt is only growing...

WHAT EEEEVER! As long as Trump is in the White House Putin would rather crap his pants then try to wipe his ass on the American flag. #coldwarDonald

Not that I disagree with most of all that you've said.

Ya'll seen that Brad Pitt movie "War Machine"? I'm sure you have since the American box office is so big in foreign countries. ...it's a Netflix original, though. Do they have Netflix where you're from?

Gilead being trump suppprter is nothing i wouldn't have expected :P

I don't follow his twitter for the LOL's!

The middles east is already destabilized. Don't really think leaving or sending more troops would be fix anything. Ultimately the US got themselves into a predicament they can't get out of.

How many times do you need to make the same mistake in order to learn????

Only once, apparently. The last time US troops were pulled out of a country they completely wrecked and destabilized, a couple less than nice groups gained some land and strength. Afghanistan doesn't seem to be quite as bad off as Iraq was, but I'd call this learning from mistakes.

What's the end goal? Just indefinitely occupy countries, only making them more angry at yous? I actually thought Trump would have decent foreign policy, based on his campaign, but it looks like he's abandoned one of the few good things about him for good. Total militarist.

A better question is, will non-Americans ever support any decision America makes?

We pulled out of Iraq, as people wanted us to do, and then once ISIS shows up everyone gets mad at the U.S for pulling out too soon.

So we decide to stay in Afghanistan, to avoid another power vacuum. Now we're evil imperialists and we need to pull out. How much you want to bet that if we withdraw troops and the Taliban takes over all you European folks will be blaming the U.S for not staying longer?

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I'd take criticisms of the U.S a lot more sincerely if the people giving out the criticisms weren't often so blatantly hypocritical.

What's the end goal? Just indefinitely occupy countries, only making them more angry at yous?

Afghanistan's current administration is content with his decision for now. And if people's feelings are more important to you than their lives then we'll just have to disagree on that. Trying to fix mistakes, no matter how futile, is a lot better than abandoning a region after causing it so much turmoil.

A better question is, will non-Americans ever support any decision America makes?

We pulled out of Iraq, as people wanted us to do, and then once ISIS shows up everyone gets mad at the U.S for pulling out too soon.

So we decide to stay in Afghanistan, to avoid another power vacuum. Now we're evil imperialists and we need to pull out. How much you want to bet that if we withdraw troops and the Taliban takes over all you European folks will be blaming the U.S for not staying longer?

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I'd take criticisms of the U.S a lot more sincerely if the people giving out the criticisms weren't often so blatantly hypocritical.

The problem is that the US walks into countries and then leaves witout longtime solutions. If they actually want the country to be terrorfree they have to make the country stable. Education, healthcare, functioning economy, fair election, stamping out corruptions. Those are the things the US should do in a country, because a stable country is less likely to be a breeding ground for terrorists or civil wars. Increasing military presence without proper care of the country will only increase insurgency in the long run.

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The problem is that the US walks into countries and then leaves witout longtime solutions. If they actually want the country to be terrorfree they have to make the country stable. Education, healthcare, functioning economy, fair election, stamping out corruptions. Those are the things the US should do in a country, because a stable country is less likely to be a breeding ground for terrorists or civil wars. Increasing military presence without proper care of the country will only increase insurgency in the long run.

Correct. Maybe some of the money this government spends on the military should be set aside for this stuff. Some countries could use these things, especially the ones the US screwed itself. Come to think of it, there are a lot of inner cities in the US that could use some better education, at least.

Cata kind of gets it. You don't stabilize countries, you just kill a couple people and then leave. Either do nothing or do stuff right.

Afghanistan, I support intervention somewhat; they aren't quite in control of their country. But then again, having the US do it again doesn't feel like a safe idea.

Another word for 'American exceptionalism' is just American imperialism.

So much anti-american hate here. sigh.

From 1776-1946 America did not involve itself in the affairs of other nations. Every time we won a war we went home. No bases. No foreign entanglements. No telling other countries what to do.

I heard somewhere from a historian this quote. "The further America gets from its frontier/pioneer/egalitarian roots the more mistakes it will make on the international stage."

I generally agree with this idea. America is only going to screw up more as time goes on, not less. The question, therefore, is "Is there a better coalition-builder in the world?"

The US mission in Afghanistan should look like this.

1. Train the Afghan forces. "Train hard. Fight easy." is a good motto.
2. Provide air support.
3. Make foreign aid to the Afghan government dependent on anti-corruption laws/prosecution. Corruption ruined Chiang kai shek and South Vietnam.
4. Encourage the Afghan government to get rid of the Masadas. They are training generation after generation of terrorists. The Afghan schools system needs to be secularized.

I really wish our generals were as smart as the average internet user.

Nice shitpost Crulest. Do you like bananas?

From 1776-1946 America did not involve itself in the affairs of other nations. Every time we won a war we went home. No bases. No foreign entanglements. No telling other countries what to do.

False, did you forget about Cuba?

How many times do you need to make the same mistake in order to learn????

is it a "mistake" when the defence/weapons contracters are making money which goes into politicians' pockets while those governments who're not allied with America are getting killed?

This is an awful attitude to have. that a country is "morally good" and evil plans are just "mistakes".

will non-Americans ever support any decision America makes?

of course unless you live in a state foe of it. i know you are refering to some kind of hypocrisy you see but those aren't the same folk saying both things. It's impossible for some things to be universally loved.

those that do want America to keep on warring want America to do it "right" and "morally"

From 1776-1946 America did not involve itself in the affairs of other nations. Every time we won a war we went home. No bases. No foreign entanglements. No telling other countries what to do.

haha