Is the 2nd team allowed only if they're under different clan tag? how many clans can/will field a 2nd team?

Seeing decline of many clans, I don't think allowing a 2nd team of a clan is a bad idea and it would be good for bigger clans. And can help more players to play CL compared to earlier without having to buy/use a different clan.

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People will still complain regardless, as a clan such as us can easily field a second or a third team (hell even Lynx could at this point) and unless you say brother clans can't field multiple lineups which I'd argue is unfair to our players, they would say we have an unfair advantage. I can promise you 101st and Lynx has no interests in colluding to to give one an advantage over the other, nor do we allow our players to switch from Lynx to 101st to just play CL.

Lynx and 101st are to connected to be 100% independent from each other. 101st is the training clan and if players reach a certain level they join Lynx. That's a connected system. Players train together, the template taste will be more the same than between independent clans since it should be that both clans should play for more with each other than 2 other clans. Lynx recruits the best of 101st, so the clan 101st will never have a chance to be better than Lynx, so that's what i mean when i say 101st will never be 100% an independent clan. It's a training clan, basically a longer arm of Lynx.

Outlaws could also just put players who can't play for Outlaws into Potatoe Knights and let them play under that name in CL.

That's legit under the current rules but shouldn't be allowed, if other clans doesn't get the possibility to field a 2nd team.

I would even go that far and say that 2nd teams and training clans should be only allowed to play in an independent league to protect smaller clans, who suffer and would continue to suffer from the problem that training clans and 2nd teams (would) play together with the other clans in CL.

Thanks Cowboy, I think we will all just take your word for it and all be dandy with Lynx and 101st in the same group.

I'm sure if that does happen that any boots from 101st to Lynx will be accidental of course.

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I personally believe the Brother/Sister Clan discussion and the Alt discussion are two sides of the same problem: I, a currently mediocre player, have an alt in CORP while my main is in Outlaws. It is unlikely for me to be anything other than a team player in Outlaws, where as in CORP I could probably represent them in a 1v1 and a team game. However if I chose to play for CORP in CL10 I will not ever be able to represent Outlaws with my main unless I swap my accounts' placements. As these clans arent connected, it doesnt feel normal to do it, nor do I expect Outlaws to accept an alt of mine.

This is important to consider with 2nd teams/Brother and Sister Clans. If a player in f.ex Lynx is a good player but not strong enough to compete for Lynx then this would make it easy for said player to swap his main with an alt in 101st, as these clans are Connected and said player is probably in the servers these clans share and also in both the clan exclusive servers making the swap both smooth and somewhat normal. Thus he could represent 101st and help them, and once he becomes a better player simply swap back his accounts and represent Lynx. This gives the Mother clans and Brother/Sister clans a massive advantage towards lesser clans as it would allow them decent players from their Mother clan to represent the Brother/Sister Clan, and effectively have a stronger representation than what might actually be their real situation. It would also give the players that does this more experience compared to an equal player in a clan without a Brother/Sister Clan. This actually encourages players to sort of circumvent the rules regarding alts.

If we allowed 2nd teams (provided we keep allowing Brother/Sister Clans), perhaps in a separate CL system, this would encourage such players to stay in their clans and represent them even if they arent the best there and instead prevent Brother/Sister Clans a possible advantage towards lesser clans with fewer members.

You guys make it sound like you can switch however you like. In fact, if you change your clan you're playing for once, you can't play for the old one the season after (not sure for how many seasons exactly, but at least one)

2 seasons under the new rules

But if you have represented neither of the clans in the Clan League, and swap your accounts this means you can swap back any time you like? (excluding the season youre currently in, and of course: once you swap again you cant return to the clan you first represented)

If thats the case then its not a breaking of the alt rules, but it will still encourage lesser players to play for their Brother/Sister clan until they have reached a high enough level to ensure a place in the line up for the Mother clan. Whether this is ok or not is up to you, but imo I still think this would give Brother/Sister clans an unfair advantage towards the clans they compete with.

If this is ok, then almost all major clans should simply make a Brother/Sister Clan and have their aspiring players play for it, but thats no different than allowing the fielding of 2nd teams. The only real difference would then be a different name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

EDIT: I would say something, but I belive my standpoint has been made clear before. So I went for some light satire. Enjoy!

Edited 11/11/2017 18:20:13

Suggestion: Include 1 (or 2) real time tournaments in clan league. Probably should be 1v1. Games can be completed at any time, but give players 1 week after declaration of match to agree to a time to complete it. If they cannot agree, both players would be given a loss.

Reason: Provides new mechanic to clan. Favors players who are active. And given the length of the league, it should be no problem to complete a 1v1 real time style tournament.

Challenges with this idea: How would it be implemented into the CLOT? How would an rt game be determined as the official rt game? Would players be prompted to join the CLOT, sort of like the multi day ladder, to play such a game? This seems like it would be a lot to implement for the person who has to program. And, considering that Motd already has a lot on his plate, doesn't seem fairly realistic for the upcoming league (CL10). Perhaps it could be considered for CL11?

Real-time tournaments don't sound viable unless you start splitting the league by time-zone groups (which will be challenging at a clan level but perhaps doable on an individual/team level).

Edited 11/29/2017 20:28:35

Just wanted to point out that the last game appears to have (mercifully) ended 2-3 days ago, but the spreadsheet didn't update. Let's get a new party started.